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Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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Re: Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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> This work was funded by Japan Science and Technology Agency, JPMJTM20Y6, ITO EN, Ltd.

Found in the "Funding" section of the research paper.

> Ito En is the largest green tea distributor in Japan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ito_En

Not saying this is enough to invalidate the work of these scientists, just food for thought.

Re: Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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It feels like a little too late. Science has to wait on controls, and that is difficult to do with a new disease. Civilian science/shitposters were promoting tea and catechins since early 2020, but such information was classified as dangerous misinformation by the authorities fighting an "infodemic". https://justpaste.it/8bq9r > If smelling not good is a bit of a problem, then raw apples, lemons, spinach, lettuce, gr…

It’s not too little too late. It’s just too little. The paper is showing about a 100x reduction in infectivity from exposure to saliva collected “0 minutes” after drinking tea. That’s a very small effect. Compare to, say, penicillin, which will kill viruses in the levels present in your blood and tissue hours after taking a small pill. Or, for a different comparison, I don’t know of anyone testing a handgun against C…

Not necessarily evil, but elitist.

Authorities were writing that even multivitimins could be dangerous and had no scientific proof against Covid. Mentions of turmeric got your Youtube video delisted. It is crazy that the information gathered above has to reside on a paste site, when 25 years ago anyone would have found it on BBS or mailing list. Western medicine is needlessly dismissive of natural medicine. They censored wisdom of the crowds.

First masks were made taboo, as they did not work for civilians (but in reality they had not enough in stock to service health care workers). The flip flop on masks only came later. In February it was known that chloroquine, which helped for SARS-1, was also likely effective for SARS-2. Interesting to see the hitjob on that. Ivermectine in vitro studies were only censored, because these were discussed on "far-right" sites, not because it did not work (because it turned out to help in vivo, but doctors lost license for prescribing it anyway).

Let the people, especially black skinned people, take vitamin D next time there is a viral pandemic. No need for public health info-management. It did more damage than good.

Re: Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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we have a vaccine. why are we testing tea against a deadly disease?

Tea may also help with vaccine complications.

We have an emergency experimental gene therapy masquerading as vaccine; phase 3 trial results? Kept being postponed. You can read in 2024 at the earliest if we have a vaccine or something quite else.

Re: Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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Interesting. I wonder if there's any practical application observed in the wild. Like people who drink tea are less likely to catch it or something.

The abstract appears to be suggesting that this tea inactivation might make it less likely for Covid positive people to give it to others. Covid is mainly spread through saliva (droplets when coughing/speaking), but unless you're putting tea up your nose it would seem to not have that much protective effect from catching it. > Healthy volunteers consumed a candy containing green tea or black tea, and saliva collected…

I guess I should have said populations that regularly drink tea.

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we have a vaccine. why are we testing tea against a deadly disease?

Tea may also help with vaccine complications. We have an emergency experimental gene therapy masquerading as vaccine; phase 3 trial results? Kept being postponed. You can read in 2024 at the earliest if we have a vaccine or something quite else.

> We have an emergency experimental gene therapy masquerading as vaccine;

Novavax is authorized now.

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It feels like a little too late. Science has to wait on controls, and that is difficult to do with a new disease. Civilian science/shitposters were promoting tea and catechins since early 2020, but such information was classified as dangerous misinformation by the authorities fighting an "infodemic". https://justpaste.it/8bq9r > If smelling not good is a bit of a problem, then raw apples, lemons, spinach, lettuce, gr…

It’s not too little too late. It’s just too little. The paper is showing about a 100x reduction in infectivity from exposure to saliva collected “0 minutes” after drinking tea. That’s a very small effect. Compare to, say, penicillin, which will kill viruses in the levels present in your blood and tissue hours after taking a small pill. Or, for a different comparison, I don’t know of anyone testing a handgun against C…

Penicillin never kills viruses; only bacteria. This is true of all antibiotics. Antivirals are a separate category (and don't tend to work as well AFAIK).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tea may also help with vaccine complications. We have an emergency experimental gene therapy masquerading as vaccine; phase 3 trial results? Kept being postponed. You can read in 2024 at the earliest if we have a vaccine or something quite else.

> We have an emergency experimental gene therapy masquerading as vaccine; Novavax is authorized now.

Emergency authorization right?

So emergency-release experimental genetically-modified-moth-grown spike-protein-based vaccine with nano particles.

But, indeed, authorized by FDA and CDC, just like the mRNA gene therapy.

Re: Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not too little too late. It’s just too little. The paper is showing about a 100x reduction in infectivity from exposure to saliva collected “0 minutes” after drinking tea. That’s a very small effect. Compare to, say, penicillin, which will kill viruses in the levels present in your blood and tissue hours after taking a small pill. Or, for a different comparison, I don’t know of anyone testing a handgun against C…

Penicillin never kills viruses; only bacteria. This is true of all antibiotics. Antivirals are a separate category (and don't tend to work as well AFAIK).

Bah, typo.

The point stands: useful pathogen-killing much more effective than tea appears to be in the paper.

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