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Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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> "I deal only with my regulars … I refuse strangers." > ‘They are mostly strangers to us, and we just have to play it by ear in deciding whether to accept a cheque’, said an official.” Sounds like a recipe for discrimination and inequality, which isn't mentioned in either article.

Right, much better for everybody to be screwed in the name of equity.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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A perfect example of my favourite part of any "class warfare" talk. Even for the "capital" class, the system isn't necessarily in their favour. It's only when you're at the absolute peak that you get the benefits. Everyone else is perfectly disposable, society just runs smoother when society believes that 6 figure salaries puts someone on the other side of the fence.

The class divide isn't based around an arbitrary salary, or specific job positions. It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour, rather than selling your own. Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by. They don't own the means of production

> They don't own the means of production

They literally own the means of production, their bodies and minds. No one is forcing them to sign contracts for a million dollar salary, they can do the exact same acting/athelete-ing with a $100 smartphone.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

#15

> "I deal only with my regulars … I refuse strangers." > ‘They are mostly strangers to us, and we just have to play it by ear in deciding whether to accept a cheque’, said an official.” Sounds like a recipe for discrimination and inequality, which isn't mentioned in either article.

This seems like a very very good argument against decentralized currency.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

#16

> "I deal only with my regulars … I refuse strangers." > ‘They are mostly strangers to us, and we just have to play it by ear in deciding whether to accept a cheque’, said an official.” Sounds like a recipe for discrimination and inequality, which isn't mentioned in either article.

Right, much better for everybody to be screwed in the name of equity.

and this is probably why and how it comes to pass that the taxpayer of the future is left holding the bills

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfect example of my favourite part of any "class warfare" talk. Even for the "capital" class, the system isn't necessarily in their favour. It's only when you're at the absolute peak that you get the benefits. Everyone else is perfectly disposable, society just runs smoother when society believes that 6 figure salaries puts someone on the other side of the fence.

The class divide isn't based around an arbitrary salary, or specific job positions. It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour, rather than selling your own. Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by. They don't own the means of production

> Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by.

But there's a key difference. They don't need to continue to sell their labor, they can stop at any time and live on e.g. income from dividends. Or maybe they have enough cash they could literally not even invest it and still live fine.

Although they may not own the means of production right at this moment, they easily could at any moment, it's a choice.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfect example of my favourite part of any "class warfare" talk. Even for the "capital" class, the system isn't necessarily in their favour. It's only when you're at the absolute peak that you get the benefits. Everyone else is perfectly disposable, society just runs smoother when society believes that 6 figure salaries puts someone on the other side of the fence.

The class divide isn't based around an arbitrary salary, or specific job positions. It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour, rather than selling your own. Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by. They don't own the means of production

And so much of our society is bound by who you work for: medical insurance, social standing, etc.

And so many people just don't understand that there's really 4 classes: poverty, able to live, owner/landlord, royalty. (The USA has the politician class in place of royalty.)

Note I didn't say "middle class". That term originally was the constructed 'rich merchant non-royalty" class that was founded out of mercantilism into capitalism. The Middle Class is now the landlord and managerial class for most of the western countries.

But back to the topic, a Starbucks worker, a IT worker, a sex worker, and a MD all must sell their time and body to live. It's only when you start buying others labor/property cheaply and selling it expensively do you become a capitalist. Anything else, and youre just in the labor class.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfect example of my favourite part of any "class warfare" talk. Even for the "capital" class, the system isn't necessarily in their favour. It's only when you're at the absolute peak that you get the benefits. Everyone else is perfectly disposable, society just runs smoother when society believes that 6 figure salaries puts someone on the other side of the fence.

The class divide isn't based around an arbitrary salary, or specific job positions. It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour, rather than selling your own. Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by. They don't own the means of production

Yes and no. The lines get blurry when you’re looking at doctors/plumbers/etc that own their practice. They are making money from their labor but they can also sell their company to someone else.

Major actors are really leveraging a brand not just selling their labor. Athletes have a similar dynamic where the very best compensated are making more from endorsements than playing football. And of course the richest examples all end up investing well.

Re: Pubs replaced banks in Ireland for several months in 1970 (2016)

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perfect example of my favourite part of any "class warfare" talk. Even for the "capital" class, the system isn't necessarily in their favour. It's only when you're at the absolute peak that you get the benefits. Everyone else is perfectly disposable, society just runs smoother when society believes that 6 figure salaries puts someone on the other side of the fence.

The class divide isn't based around an arbitrary salary, or specific job positions. It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour, rather than selling your own. Hollywood actors and famous football players are often very rich, but they sell their labor to get by. They don't own the means of production

It's whether you have hire/fire powers and you make money off of other people's labour

I think creating a hierarchy of managers and workers is just another tool that the people with power use to control everyone else.

Surely my direct manager has more in common with me than the CEO? Am I wrong to think this? Wouldn't the CEO see both managers and their teams as mere workers?

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