Live data from Hacker News

Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

news.yahoo.com

11–20 of 469 posts

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#11

A lot of workers don’t wear protective gear. By choice. Nobody to blame but themselves.

The company is to blame. It's law to wear protective gear in many legal jurisdictions, and that 100% means the company is liable, if it does not actively enforce, and create a "culture of safety".

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#12

A lot of workers don’t wear protective gear. By choice. Nobody to blame but themselves.

You see, in many industries when an employee/contractor doesn't wear protective gear they are walked off site by security because the controlling agent of the property doesn't want OSHA fining them.

There are plenty of people to blame, and there is plenty that can be done. This dumb ass "No regulations needed, free market will take care of itself" is how the rich put the poor or ignorant into early, terrible graves.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#13
post #2

"Nearly half of the workers suffering silicosis in the UCLA and UCSF study said their workplaces were using water to control dust. Roughly a quarter said they always had respiratory protection. Fazio said studies have found that in many shops, dust is so thick in the air that respirators cannot filter out a sufficient amount. Metzger argued that the kind of sophisticated and costly measures that would be needed to re…

Vote with your wallet is the most effective method. Look at plastic straws today.

What kind of countertops should be avoided? Would have been nice if the article suggested some solutions as well

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#14

A lot of workers don’t wear protective gear. By choice. Nobody to blame but themselves.

Realistically, protective gear (actually protective gear, not thin dust masks) is expensive. The workers cant afford it, and the businesses want to save the money.

There's some small margin of workers who have access to protective gear but don't wear it, but in reality for most workers it's the job of the company to provide it and train workers to use it.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#16
post #11

A lot of workers don’t wear protective gear. By choice. Nobody to blame but themselves.

The company is to blame. It's law to wear protective gear in many legal jurisdictions, and that 100% means the company is liable, if it does not actively enforce, and create a "culture of safety".

Exactly. In general companies don't like OSHA hanging around. They'd rather run fast and lose even if it costs a finger or two. Enforcement of the law is how get compliance.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#17
post #7
post #2

"Nearly half of the workers suffering silicosis in the UCLA and UCSF study said their workplaces were using water to control dust. Roughly a quarter said they always had respiratory protection. Fazio said studies have found that in many shops, dust is so thick in the air that respirators cannot filter out a sufficient amount. Metzger argued that the kind of sophisticated and costly measures that would be needed to re…

>dust is so thick in the air that respirators cannot filter out a sufficient amount This is not a technology problem, this is an 1880s "Safety devices are too expensive problem" along with paid under the table workers problem. All kinds of other industries manufacture 'dangerous' products with regulations that protect the workers. Housing and agriculture are both industries that do not and fight ever further for anti…

[flagged]

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#18
post #3

Many went without masks. Some had water spurting from their machines, but others had nothing to tamp down the powder rising in the air. Does OSHA not require masks in these cases?

A key insight into things like this is that many regulations are like speed limits: loosely enforced. Sometimes because it is too hard to inspect every shop handling dangerous materials.

In cases like these you have to ban the dangerous material, or essentially kill the market for the products that use it.

BTW, I'm not sure how solid granite, soapstone, marble, etc. would be any better. Maybe my 30 year old totally fake Corian is back in style. But for the microplastics from scrubbing it?

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#19
post #2

"Nearly half of the workers suffering silicosis in the UCLA and UCSF study said their workplaces were using water to control dust. Roughly a quarter said they always had respiratory protection. Fazio said studies have found that in many shops, dust is so thick in the air that respirators cannot filter out a sufficient amount. Metzger argued that the kind of sophisticated and costly measures that would be needed to re…

This is a problem with all rock cutting. With adequate safety measures there is no problem.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

#20
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>dust is so thick in the air that respirators cannot filter out a sufficient amount This is not a technology problem, this is an 1880s "Safety devices are too expensive problem" along with paid under the table workers problem. All kinds of other industries manufacture 'dangerous' products with regulations that protect the workers. Housing and agriculture are both industries that do not and fight ever further for anti…

[flagged]

Removing the availability of cheap labor by providing more worker rights, and less/no criminalization of undocumented immigrants alongside an h1b reform would do wonders for the general health of this society.
Post reply on HN