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Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Not soya related, so maybe off topic, but what is the purpose of the "This website is for healthcare professionals only" popup that is displayed on first visit?

I can't figure out whether they are trying to adjust how credible the site appears / keep the broad public from looking at the site, or something else.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

#12
Maker of ultra processed food complains about being labeled as a maker of ultra processed food. News at 11.

But seriously thinking of more adulterated food than plant based meat and dairy substances is hard. And it's not like they're healthier than the unprocessed version. Tofu is not better for you than chicken breast

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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I think this is great example that all big industries do marketing. It is just not the "evil" big tobacco, meat, dairy, oil and so on... Clearly also the alternatives go for it.

Maybe the whole processed food labelling is unhelpful also in other products? Or maybe there is point in targeting some use of things like soya in certain ways...

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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My son is allergic to soya - that was a catalyst for us looking into the supply chain of what we buy and eat and if there is one profound change above all is the fact soy is in -everything- and if not in the product itself then certain in the bulk of the food stuffs own food chain. Can’t even buy bread now without it being bulked out with soya flour …

I'm guessing american. Move out from US ? (Only half joking)

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

The entire game is silly, starting with considering "highly-processed" to be synonymous to "bad"/"unhealthy". There's lots of money behind pushing that meme too.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultra processed is the end result of mckinsification of our food chain.

What is mckinsification?

Is it so hard to infer? McKinsey, consulting firm famous worldwide for its ruthless "optimization" of all industries often at the expense of consumers in favor of realizing short-term gains that look good to C-suite and shareholders, causes shifts in business practices both directly in its involvement as well as indirectly by inspiring copycat competitive tactics.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

The entire game is silly, starting with considering "highly-processed" to be synonymous to "bad"/"unhealthy". There's lots of money behind pushing that meme too.

possibly, but I suspect there is a whole lot more money pushing the 'processed foods can be good for you' meme.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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post #6

My son is allergic to soya - that was a catalyst for us looking into the supply chain of what we buy and eat and if there is one profound change above all is the fact soy is in -everything- and if not in the product itself then certain in the bulk of the food stuffs own food chain. Can’t even buy bread now without it being bulked out with soya flour …

I'm guessing american. Move out from US ? (Only half joking)

It may not be the case for bread, but here in France there’s soy in many products, even those where you wouldn’t expect it.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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My son is allergic to soya - that was a catalyst for us looking into the supply chain of what we buy and eat and if there is one profound change above all is the fact soy is in -everything- and if not in the product itself then certain in the bulk of the food stuffs own food chain. Can’t even buy bread now without it being bulked out with soya flour …

> Can’t even buy bread now without it being bulked out with soya flour …

I found this somewhat disturbing and you appear to be mostly correct. I did find a few breads that don't list soy flour as an ingredient, mostly breads that specifically advertise a certain material like "100% whole wheat" or "Jewish Rye". (Oddly, the Jewish Rye didn't have soy flour, but it also didn't seem especially concerned about being a rye bread - it was made primarily of wheat.)

Thinking it over, I find it pretty unlikely that the soy flour is really hurting anything (people allergic to soy excepted), but it still feels wrong and I don't get the reasoning. The soy flour is always in the "2% or less" section of the ingredients, and even if it's cheaper than wheat flour, you could save even more money by just not including it at all.

Boudin Sourdough contains no soy while also not emphasizing that it's made from a weird material. It appears to be a mixture of wheat and barley: https://richmedia.ca-richimage.com/ImageDelivery/imageServic...

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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This article is a big nothing burger. Of course a foundation with the goal to "drive the transition to more healthful plant-based diets for human and planetary health. "[0] is against labeling highly-processed plant based food as "highly processed". Quote: > In an era of urgency to move populations towards more environmentally and nutritionally beneficial plant-based diets, making a simple switch to soya meat replace…

The entire game is silly, starting with considering "highly-processed" to be synonymous to "bad"/"unhealthy". There's lots of money behind pushing that meme too.

All the scientific evidence points to the fact that ultra-processed foods are unhealthy. There is much more money to be made in pushing the opposite view. But of course, those little mom and pop shops like Nestlé, Unilever et al don't have the money to do this, right?
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