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Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Post by ecshafer »

If I write an app for the app store and sell it for $10, apple gets $3. If I sell it for $5, apple gets $1.5. If I sell a subscription for $10/month they get $3 a month. Apple's work is the same for all of these. Their monopolistic position is how they can demand a pretty exorbitant 30% cut. Walmart, Costco, et al wish they had a 30% profit on everything the sold.

For the record I don't even really like Spotify that much, I don't use the app nor am I subscribed. I do like my iphone but Apple is in the wrong here.

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

#13

Post by supportengineer »

ecshafer wrote: post #11

If I write an app for the app store and sell it for $10, apple gets $3. If I sell it for $5, apple gets $1.5. If I sell a subscription for $10/month they get $3 a month. Apple's work is the same for all of these. Their monopolistic position is how they can demand a pretty exorbitant 30% cut. Walmart, Costco, et al wish they had a 30% profit on everything the sold. For the record I don't even really like Spotify that…

Aren't you free to use Android instead?

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Post by whiddershins »

Veuxdo wrote: post #4
whiddershins wrote: post #2

I don’t see Spotify making any suggestion of a solution that addresses their concerns without boxing Apple out of the payment process entirely. I get why what Apple has in place is onerous. I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. So what’s the third option? Edit: My vote for the third option has always been, and remains, allowing of side loading apps. And this can be only for users who enable it. But it seem…

> I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. What makes Apple entitled to a cut of Spotify's revenue?

What makes Spotify entitled to be on Apple’s App Store?

I think the third way is to allow side loading apps.

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Post by doctorpangloss »

Veuxdo wrote: post #4
whiddershins wrote: post #2

I don’t see Spotify making any suggestion of a solution that addresses their concerns without boxing Apple out of the payment process entirely. I get why what Apple has in place is onerous. I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. So what’s the third option? Edit: My vote for the third option has always been, and remains, allowing of side loading apps. And this can be only for users who enable it. But it seem…

> I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. What makes Apple entitled to a cut of Spotify's revenue?

Because they do the expensive work of marketing and making a phone that appeals to rich people, who actually spend money on stuff.

Spotify isn’t giving Apple a cut of revenue per se, so much as it’s spending money on ads for a specific audience in a specific way.

I suppose Google too could make Android phones more attractive.

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

#17

Post by nsnow70 »

Veuxdo wrote: post #7
etchalon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes Walmart entitled to a cut of General Mills revenue?

They're a retailer...?

So without Walmart they wouldn't sell as much product? Kind of like Spotify and iOS devices?

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Post by Veuxdo »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #15
Veuxdo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also see that Apple needs to get paid somehow. What makes Apple entitled to a cut of Spotify's revenue?

Because they do the expensive work of marketing and making a phone that appeals to rich people, who actually spend money on stuff. Spotify isn’t giving Apple a cut of revenue per se, so much as it’s spending money on ads for a specific audience in a specific way. I suppose Google too could make Android phones more attractive.

I had no idea Apple advertises on behalf of Spotify. Thanks for this. Do you have any examples?

Re: Holding Apple Accountable: The Future of the Internet Economy Depends on It

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Post by whiddershins »

ecshafer wrote: post #11

If I write an app for the app store and sell it for $10, apple gets $3. If I sell it for $5, apple gets $1.5. If I sell a subscription for $10/month they get $3 a month. Apple's work is the same for all of these. Their monopolistic position is how they can demand a pretty exorbitant 30% cut. Walmart, Costco, et al wish they had a 30% profit on everything the sold. For the record I don't even really like Spotify that…

To be precise it is 30% revenue.

They have costs. And they allow free apps! Every free app that gets downloads and doesn’t monetize at all is pure cost for them.

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