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How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

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Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

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The "accept our shaky premise or else" crowd is annoying. The intimidation has backfired. The first big public controversy for transgender bathroom rights was in 2016. right before the US presidential election,[1] and may have pushed Trump over the top and into the White House.

[1] https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/timeline-bath...

Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

#13

Has Dawkins sat down with numerous trans people to listen to their stories and perspectives... and why his actions and words are offensive? Of course, offensive doesn't mean he has to pull back or go a different route. But sometimes, our choice of words causes us to have social repercussions. It certainly has me throughout my life. Often, I can repair those damaged relationships by listening, learning, and growing -…

> I just don't get this article. If I understand the article, people who don't "get this article" are the very sort he is describing. > Not criticize or complain about his dumb tweets? What in particular did he say that you find "dumb"?

Most tweets are dumb. They are a tweet. That website is a mess.

I understand his article. He is bothered that he gets pushback and labeled all sorts of things because of what he writes. It happens. It's life. It's also not new. It's why so many religious/political people chose to create their own publications throughout history to not have to deal with editors/market forces.

Is he incapable of stepping back and understanding that the world is changing? Or looking at the bigger picture? Or thinking critically about the ways this moment mirrors other moments in history?

Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

#14
Emotionally charged topics shouldn’t be avoided, but we should all strive to have rational and compassionate conversations about such things.

I always like to introduce people to this rules of civil conversation during such exchanges.

https://therulesofcivilconversation.org/

Equally helpful to maintain conversations that are positive is to check out own biases and fallacies:

https://yourbias.is/

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

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post #9

> But shouldn’t we just indulge the harmless whims of an oppressed minority? Maybe, were it not for a strain of aggressive bossiness which insists, not so very harmlessly and not sounding very oppressed, that the rest of us must humour those whims and join in. Goodness, what a whine. If you’re not a person who is directly confronted with this, why are you throwing yourself into this debate? The only reason to enforce…

Why did you invoke gender? The quote is generic enough to my reading it could mean any one of various mathematical minorities.

Do we all join in with Trump flag waving caravans of F150s? They were a whiny minority recently.

Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

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post #9

> But shouldn’t we just indulge the harmless whims of an oppressed minority? Maybe, were it not for a strain of aggressive bossiness which insists, not so very harmlessly and not sounding very oppressed, that the rest of us must humour those whims and join in. Goodness, what a whine. If you’re not a person who is directly confronted with this, why are you throwing yourself into this debate? The only reason to enforce…

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Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

#18
Love to see articles simultaneously attacking trans athletes for being taller, and attacking the self-determination and gender exploration which would allow trans people to avoid the natal puberty causing them to suffer intense physical dysphoria (including shape, muscle mass, and height), and struggle to pass as their preferred appearance to themselves and others.

Re: How can we have a proper debate when we no longer speak the same language?

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post #16
post #9

> But shouldn’t we just indulge the harmless whims of an oppressed minority? Maybe, were it not for a strain of aggressive bossiness which insists, not so very harmlessly and not sounding very oppressed, that the rest of us must humour those whims and join in. Goodness, what a whine. If you’re not a person who is directly confronted with this, why are you throwing yourself into this debate? The only reason to enforce…

Why did you invoke gender? The quote is generic enough to my reading it could mean any one of various mathematical minorities. Do we all join in with Trump flag waving caravans of F150s? They were a whiny minority recently.

The article is about gender.
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