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U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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Re: U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still over 100 deaths per day in the US. And those are official numbers, certainly an undercount.

We haven't been over excess mortality since January according to the CDC. People will always be dying of something, today it's with covid.

How often do they update their baseline?

Re: U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still over 100 deaths per day in the US. And those are official numbers, certainly an undercount.

We haven't been over excess mortality since January according to the CDC. People will always be dying of something, today it's with covid.

Do they account for the covid deaths during the pandemic? Since a lot of vulnerable people died early, the number of deaths due to other causes like heart attacks, cancer, old age, diabetes etc. would be lower now than if covid never had happened.

Re: U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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Typical… during peace time nations often get complacent. During healthy time, nations often get complacent. I thought it would take longer given just two years ago most stuff was shut down.

Perhaps the complacency was assuming people would treat dangerous viruses as deadly weapons, and we've decided it's not worth the risk.

So not:

"Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484390/

(Of course, common sense would say that if you're not willing to do this in your own backyard, you probably shouldn't let people with laxer standards and do it in theirs)

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The most disappointing part of the pandemic has been the utter lack of curiosity and professional duty displayed by journalists. The only other time I can think of such blatant dereliction of duty was the beginning of the war in Iraq.

China is very impenetrable. Too much of that line of inquiry discredits itself with speculation.

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> DEEP VZN drew especially sharp scrutiny because the EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit that specializes in sampling animals in attempts to prevent emerging diseases, played a central role in the PREDICT consortium. (EcoHealth also had a long-standing collaboration with the Wuhan lab at the center of the lab-leak theory.)

This is why it actually matters to try to figure out if the lab leak is the most probably cause, taking into account adverse interference based on the Chinese government's massive destruction of evidence. If the lab leak was the cause of the Covid-19 pandemic, then it is very reasonable to shut down related programs.

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The most disappointing part of the pandemic has been the utter lack of curiosity and professional duty displayed by journalists. The only other time I can think of such blatant dereliction of duty was the beginning of the war in Iraq.

What would you have them do? Go sneaking around the Chinese Science Academy in Wuhan trying to find hard evidence in the dumpsters 4 years later?

I'm not a fan of some "journalists" saying, "it's just the flu" and worried more about Trump's re-election than those that they no doubt killed, but I'm actually not sure what real journalists should have done either. Also, people were crying out for their blood while indulging in deranged conspiracies against them just for pointing a camera at their master and letting him talk. Even if they could fly over to China and investigate, being caught in Wuhan investigating would have both the Chinese government and the deranged conspiracy nuts crying out for your death, the latter claiming they found it too "suspicious" you were in Wuhan at all.

Re: U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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post #6

Typical… during peace time nations often get complacent. During healthy time, nations often get complacent. I thought it would take longer given just two years ago most stuff was shut down.

Still over 100 deaths per day in the US. And those are official numbers, certainly an undercount.

2400 die every day from heart disease in the US, but those who are still terrified of Covid today generally aren't allocating 24x of their fear budget towards heart disease and starting a regular running habit or improving their diet to flatten that curve.

Life belongs to those who learn proper fear prioritization.

Re: U.S. cancels program aimed at identifying potential pandemic viruses

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> DEEP VZN drew especially sharp scrutiny because the EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit that specializes in sampling animals in attempts to prevent emerging diseases, played a central role in the PREDICT consortium. (EcoHealth also had a long-standing collaboration with the Wuhan lab at the center of the lab-leak theory.) This is why it actually matters to try to figure out if the lab leak is the most probably cause, t…

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