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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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There's no "ransom" being held for deleting your data from Threads. The point is that Threads is built on top of Instagram, which means that if you want to delete your data, Threads doesn't have it. Instagram does.

That's just tech-speak. To the end user these are two separate apps. And Meta definitely has a way of telling which bits of data came from Threads and which from Instragram. They just chose not to make it easy for the user to delete only Threads data.

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#14
post #9

There's no "ransom" being held for deleting your data from Threads. The point is that Threads is built on top of Instagram, which means that if you want to delete your data, Threads doesn't have it. Instagram does.

That's just tech-speak. To the end user these are two separate apps. And Meta definitely has a way of telling which bits of data came from Threads and which from Instragram. They just chose not to make it easy for the user to delete only Threads data.

The point is that your Threads account is your Instagram account. They're not separate.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#15
post #9

There's no "ransom" being held for deleting your data from Threads. The point is that Threads is built on top of Instagram, which means that if you want to delete your data, Threads doesn't have it. Instagram does.

That's just tech-speak. To the end user these are two separate apps. And Meta definitely has a way of telling which bits of data came from Threads and which from Instragram. They just chose not to make it easy for the user to delete only Threads data.

> To the end user these are two separate apps

You literally use your Instagram login to create a Threads account.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#16
Yes, ad-supported social apps collect a ton of data. But the Apple privacy widget list is just a catch-all since people can post anything and Meta uses post content for ad targeting.

Have you gone through Apple's onboarding flow recently? The process of creating an Apple ID and setting up an iPhone is pretty similar, and has similar click-wrap terms to allow endless data use, including [1], [2], [3], [4], and [5].

Apple has done a very good job of marketing privacy. But they engage in pretty much all of the same practices they call others out for.

Also, Threads didn't launch in Europe because of DMA data separation requirements between products. It has nothing to do with the invasiveness of the data collected per se as is implied here [6].

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/pdfs/apple-privacy-polic... [2] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-id/ [3] https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS16_iPadOS16.pdf [4] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/ [5] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/

[6] https://www.theverge.com/23789754/threads-meta-twitter-eu-dm...

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#17
If you want privacy guarantees do not install or use anything connected to the internet. Even HN - with stylometry and a motivated actor it's easy to correlate your username here with any other publicly written text. An even more motivated actor could do this with privately written text (you know, all of those data breaches).

Stay offline for your safety.

This is obviously unrealistic for many in the modern era. So now the question is - regardless of how much or what is collected, which companies are least likely to sell you out, by any means? By pretty much any criteria Apple is near the top of that list. Though, they're not the very, very top. Companies like Mullvad offer services in a way such that nothing is collected at all, and since you can pay cash in theory no way to come back to you.

Personally, for me - it's more important to think about whether or not you trust the organization you're dealing with, than whether or not they're collecting stuff or not. Of the big tech companies I'd say I trust Apple the most from their track record, but I am not under any illusion that I have absolute privacy while using Apple products, and neither should you.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#19
post #4

Fuck me that’s the worst UX I’ve seen in ages

First it told me ‘pro-tip’ that I was holding my phone wrong and when I did rotate to landscape mode, it ignored the rotation. I applied some ‘critical ignoring’ at that point, as per a peer article

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

#20
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just tech-speak. To the end user these are two separate apps. And Meta definitely has a way of telling which bits of data came from Threads and which from Instragram. They just chose not to make it easy for the user to delete only Threads data.

The point is that your Threads account is your Instagram account. They're not separate.

Okay, but there is some flag that means that going to https://www.threads.net/@instagram works but https://www.threads.net/@nasa doesn’t (even though https://instagram.com/nasa/ is a perfectly valid public Instagram account). This flag is toggled when the Instagram user first signs into Threads. Why can’t Meta just set this flag to false and delete all Threads posts while leaving the Instagram account intact?
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