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Re: London Street Trees

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I bet this this website cost London £100k or more. They probably contracted it out to some supplier to build and maintain, and they are charging through the nose for hosting it, because the people on the London horticultural team don't do HTML. While I applaud the effort, I do wonder if it is tax money well spent. Perhaps a spreadsheet on a shared drive would have been better value for money?

Tbh I feel like that's probably an underestimate, but otoh that's probably a fraction of the cost of maintaining the trees themselves, so I'm not sure it's worth fretting over.

And the whole point of having a government of London is because it's a huge city. If it was just a large car park it wouldn't need a government. The city is for people, and people both like trees and benefit from many properties of these trees such as their ability to absorb rainfall and provide shade as well as positive contribution to air quality (well, unless you're allergic to tree pollen) so it makes sense for the city government to look after them.

This is therefore a reasonable expenditure of some government resources. Just as when they paid "Royal de Luxe" to perform The Sultan's Elephant over several days. The Sultan's Elephant is street theatre, an enormous mechanical elephant, a giant little girl, and some other apparatus turns up, the puppeteers from Royal de Luxe operate these puppets to tell a story for the entertainment of just... everybody who happens to be there, it's on public streets, it's not ticketed, it's not in some arena or screened off area, it's just in your city where you live and/or work. Perhaps you came specifically to this part of the city to see the giant little girl, asleep so peacefully, or perhaps you were surprised to find your journey interrupted by an enormous elephant walking down the street when you went to buy lunch, it doesn't matter, this sort of street art is a reasonable investment.

Re: London Street Trees

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I bet this this website cost London £100k or more. They probably contracted it out to some supplier to build and maintain, and they are charging through the nose for hosting it, because the people on the London horticultural team don't do HTML. While I applaud the effort, I do wonder if it is tax money well spent. Perhaps a spreadsheet on a shared drive would have been better value for money?

As anyone who’s been near government data publishing or asset tracking works attest - That’s a sure fire way to either publish stale/wrong information or simply lose trees.

I’m not in London but surely there is more than 100k in public policy good to be had in promoting trees as assets that are worth stewarding well. Is population scale care for trees with a month of arborist days?

Urban forests make air conditioning work. Consider it an indirect investment in power grid resistance.

They also help surface drainage. Consider it an investment in roads and stormwater.

Re: London Street Trees

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I bet this this website cost London £100k or more. They probably contracted it out to some supplier to build and maintain, and they are charging through the nose for hosting it, because the people on the London horticultural team don't do HTML. While I applaud the effort, I do wonder if it is tax money well spent. Perhaps a spreadsheet on a shared drive would have been better value for money?

London GDP is about £500 billion. They’ll need this info to maintain the trees in any case. If it cost 100k, it would be 0.02% of GDP. For the difference trees make to urban areas, it would be utterly trivial. If you made £50k cash after tax a year (so closer to 80k before tax), it would be £10 a year, that’s the fraction.

Of course it costs far more than £100k to maintain this data.

Re: London Street Trees

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one thing most people don't realise is how much park and woodland london has.

Yes, although on this map I think the trees in parks are not shown

It's based on data from councils and tfl, so council run parks are included (e.g. Gunnersbury near where I live) but not royal parks (like Richmond park)

Re: London Street Trees

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This is an unusually nice website, but if you like this, check your own city, they might have one too! For example, here's: DC: https://trees.dc.gov/apps/3677bceead544db79a412e3ab0a68588/e... Boston: https://boston.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?... LA: https://losangelesca.treekeepersoftware.com/index.cfm

Montreal: https://quebio.ca/en/arbresmtl

Quebec City: https://quebio.ca/fr/arbresqc

New York City: https://tree-map.nycgovparks.org/

Paris: https://a3x.carto.com/viz/030b38b6-085f-11e5-8ac5-0e43f3deba...

London: https://apps.london.gov.uk/street-trees/

Re: London Street Trees

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post #5

This is an unusually nice website, but if you like this, check your own city, they might have one too! For example, here's: DC: https://trees.dc.gov/apps/3677bceead544db79a412e3ab0a68588/e... Boston: https://boston.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?... LA: https://losangelesca.treekeepersoftware.com/index.cfm

Interesting these maps are missing many trees such as the DC missing those around the the capital building. Presumably because different organizations are in charge of them.

Re: London Street Trees

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post #18
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This is an unusually nice website, but if you like this, check your own city, they might have one too! For example, here's: DC: https://trees.dc.gov/apps/3677bceead544db79a412e3ab0a68588/e... Boston: https://boston.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?... LA: https://losangelesca.treekeepersoftware.com/index.cfm

Interesting these maps are missing many trees such as the DC missing those around the the capital building. Presumably because different organizations are in charge of them.

When it's the building, the correct spelling is capitol.

Re: London Street Trees

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See also: OpenTrees.org: 13,910,944 open data trees from 192 sources in 19 countries. https://opentrees.org https://github.com/stevage/opentrees

A friend of mine is doing something similar to this London tree but another European capital. I really don't understand why would someone _not_ integrate or just expand opentrees.org.

what is the point of having two openlayers websites? (unless of course the second is esri world atlas...)

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