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Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by candiddevmike » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:30 PM UTC

rconti wrote: post #8

candiddevmike wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run a website off a cellular connection, you don't need fiber for that. The pendulum has never left decentralized from a tech standpoint, folks are just too lazy. Home computer ownership is tanking, millennials were probably the last "power user" generation, and there's just no major interest in self hosting with the convenience of cloud. Even among tech professionals like HN.

I think the pendulum DID swing, as The Cloud became more popular and connections became radically asymmetric with very slow upload.

10 Mbps upload is plenty fast for hosting things like websites and web apps.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by ozarker » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

organsnyder wrote: post #4

hinkley wrote: post #2

What is the state of the art in leveraging your home network to have a presence (website or otherwise) on the internet? Fiber just became available in our neighborhood recently and I'm about to have fewer people sharing our network, so the idea of being able to host my own files is becoming attractive again. We are about to be due for this pendulum (centralized vs distributed) to swing back again and I like to be pre…

Cloudflare tunnels are easy to set up. Otherwise, serving directly can be an option if you have a public static IP from your ISP or a public dynamic ISP and are okay with doing dynamic DNS. IMHO the key is to have a good router/firewall that gives you the flexibility you need—ideally a custom box like OP. My software preference is opnsense, but there are plenty of other good options.

I'm hosting my blog on machines running at home accessible via a Cloudflare tunnel. It works very well in my experience. And it's nice not having ports open to the internet or having to mess with dynamic dns.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by h2odragon » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:33 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #2

What is the state of the art in leveraging your home network to have a presence (website or otherwise) on the internet? Fiber just became available in our neighborhood recently and I'm about to have fewer people sharing our network, so the idea of being able to host my own files is becoming attractive again. We are about to be due for this pendulum (centralized vs distributed) to swing back again and I like to be pre…

I'm tinkering with a Raspi to do that sometime soon. Its going to be on an isolated network segment off an openwrt router that'll forward ports and hold the public ip. Technically it's ready to go but I'm enjoying tinkering with it still and no rush to put anything up.

its not "state of the art" but I expect it to serve my needs.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by gorbypark » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

I can upgrade from 1Gbit to 10Gbit for only 5 euros extra per month but I don't really have anything to take advantage of it. I don't think my new MacBook Air M2 even supports 6E, and wiring the apartment would be a bit of a hassle.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by londons_explore » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

How many hours can you saturate that 25 Gbit connection up and down before support calls you and tells you to knock it off?

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by bombcar » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #2

What is the state of the art in leveraging your home network to have a presence (website or otherwise) on the internet? Fiber just became available in our neighborhood recently and I'm about to have fewer people sharing our network, so the idea of being able to host my own files is becoming attractive again. We are about to be due for this pendulum (centralized vs distributed) to swing back again and I like to be pre…

For me the state of the art is realizing that you do NOT need 99.99999% uptime for personal stuff.

Once there, do whatever you want. Get a DMZ or even a separate connection if you really want to go wild, but it's not terribly complicated.

There are even "in a box" solutions - such as https://mailinabox.email or https://owncloud.com

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by bombcar » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

gorbypark wrote: post #14

I can upgrade from 1Gbit to 10Gbit for only 5 euros extra per month but I don't really have anything to take advantage of it. I don't think my new MacBook Air M2 even supports 6E, and wiring the apartment would be a bit of a hassle.

If you only have a few people or clients in the house, the upgrade is likely not worth it, though 10Gb would be nice to flaunt.

At that price I'd take it, but that's because I have a 10G network to my NAS, though I'd have to upgrade my router.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by luma » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #5

hinkley wrote: post #2

What is the state of the art in leveraging your home network to have a presence (website or otherwise) on the internet? Fiber just became available in our neighborhood recently and I'm about to have fewer people sharing our network, so the idea of being able to host my own files is becoming attractive again. We are about to be due for this pendulum (centralized vs distributed) to swing back again and I like to be pre…

You can run a website off a cellular connection, you don't need fiber for that. The pendulum has never left decentralized from a tech standpoint, folks are just too lazy. Home computer ownership is tanking, millennials were probably the last "power user" generation, and there's just no major interest in self hosting with the convenience of cloud. Even among tech professionals like HN.

As someone with a full homelab with all the fixins, I don't self-host external-facing services without a VPN (meaning, no ports open into my network and thus no public web sites etc). This isn't because I don't know how, or that I'm too lazy, but rather an acknowledgement that it's a huge security risk and it isn't necessary.

My public facing stuff lives on cheap cloud services and is kept well away from my home network.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by vannucci » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

I'm so jealous of this. I live in a major metro area of NYC and there's still no fiber out to my town. This is so cool.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by tgtweak » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

Recently moved up to 3gbps bidirectional and had a hell of a time getting 3gbps even with 10gbps network card directly into the 10gbps port on the ISP-provided modem. In addition to this, there are very few services that will actually feed you data at 3gbps.

Steam - ~280MB/s (2.2gbps)

Battle.net launcher - ~140MB/s (1.1gbps)

25GB Torrent with 1000+ seeders - ~70MB/s (~560mbps)

2GB iso from github - ~80MB/s (~650mbps)

fast.com - 1.4gbps

speedtest.net - 2.7gbps (using ISPs endpoint 2ms away)

Using a download manager like IDM or jDownloader will help for http downloads, but most hosts will limit your speed even with 16 connections open. I've managed to see 2gbps moving data to/from servers (scp) with softether configured to use 16 connections. The reality is with a single connection (majority of ssl transfers) you'll be limited by the sending side in almost all cases.

Overall it seems that while you can get connected and run an iperf to your ISP or multi-connection speedtest to a server hosted by your ISP or peered with your ISP, you'll be pretty much limited to Knowing this I would have simply went multi-gig (2.5g) for all in-home networking and saved a good chunk of change on networking equipment.