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Re: Retool AI

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Hi all, eng who worked on vectors @ Retool here. We’re excited to get HN’s feedback on a new product I’ve been working on: Retool vectors. There’s been a lot of hype around AI, but as I was thinking about what we could launch, there were really very few AI apps that are today _actually_ delivering business value. For example, there are tons of chatbots, summarization bots, etc., but it wasn’t clear how to use them. T…

Given how many projects like this exist, is this just to generate leads for retool sales? Does this actually make money?

Re: Retool AI

#12
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We hear about Retool here more than once a month, is there a new development we are to learn about today? https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=retool.com

This is talking of Retool AI integrations support.

Re: Retool AI

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post #10

Hi all, eng who worked on vectors @ Retool here. We’re excited to get HN’s feedback on a new product I’ve been working on: Retool vectors. There’s been a lot of hype around AI, but as I was thinking about what we could launch, there were really very few AI apps that are today _actually_ delivering business value. For example, there are tons of chatbots, summarization bots, etc., but it wasn’t clear how to use them. T…

Given how many projects like this exist, is this just to generate leads for retool sales? Does this actually make money?

When I was building our support chatbot powered by a vectorized DB, I couldn’t actually find a project that helped with syncing Intercom chat data, Discourse community forum data, and web crawling data into a vectorized database. Do you have any suggestions? This was really a “scratch my own itch” product (not something to “generate leads for retool sales”), so genuinely asking out of curiosity! (If there are better products maybe we should kill this project and just recommend people use that instead, haha.)

And no, this is definitely not making money. (It’s free after all, so I guess we’re probably losing money on this.) To be honest, as an engineer @ Retool, I work on things because I think they’re cool and could be useful to our customers… not because it has to make my company money.

Re: Retool AI

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post #10

Hi all, eng who worked on vectors @ Retool here. We’re excited to get HN’s feedback on a new product I’ve been working on: Retool vectors. There’s been a lot of hype around AI, but as I was thinking about what we could launch, there were really very few AI apps that are today _actually_ delivering business value. For example, there are tons of chatbots, summarization bots, etc., but it wasn’t clear how to use them. T…

I'd imagine this is exactly what intercom is doing for their AI. Any ideas why the performance is worse? Maybe intercom didn't have access to forum data?

Re: Retool AI

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My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

Re: Retool AI

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Most of the use cases we are seeing LLMs unlock look trivial in isolation when looked at it from content generation point of view but become super powerful when mixed into workflows. This is evident from all the startups we are seeing lately in this space and LLM integrations into existing products like Zapier, Hubspot and now Retool AI.

Granted these are still early days for LLMs, but it looks they are primarily going to revolutionize how knowledge work is done at a scale similar to what computers have done. There are exciting projects coming out every week putting LLMs into the workflows of more and more knowledge workers. open-interpreter is the recent of the bunch.

Similar to other workflow automation projects in this space, we started building LLMStack (https://github.com/trypromptly/LLMStack) with a goal of scaling knowledge work pieplines. Exciting times ahead!

Re: Retool AI

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My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

Would you mind expanding why it was tough to get started with Retool?

We are building https://github.com/trypromptly/LLMStack, a low-code platform to build LLM apps with a goal of making it easy for non-tech people to leverage LLMs in their workflows. Would love to learn about your experience with retool and incorporate some of that feedback into LLMStack.

Re: Retool AI

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post #10

Hi all, eng who worked on vectors @ Retool here. We’re excited to get HN’s feedback on a new product I’ve been working on: Retool vectors. There’s been a lot of hype around AI, but as I was thinking about what we could launch, there were really very few AI apps that are today _actually_ delivering business value. For example, there are tons of chatbots, summarization bots, etc., but it wasn’t clear how to use them. T…

>But it was surprisingly hard to build this bot: I needed to stitch together vector databases, custom integrations with Intercom, cronjobs to sync data, etc.

>That’s why we built Retool Vectors.

Reminds me of Tobi Lütke who founded Shopify like that. When he built an ecommerce store to sell snowboards and realized how hard it was to set that up, he thought it was better to sell ecommerce stores than to sell snowboards

Re: Retool AI

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post #17

My personal opinion (besides this constant flux of Retool product announcements) is that I truly tried and gave Retool a chance... but man, it was tough to get started, I rather just code from scratch with some boilerplate.

Would you mind expanding why it was tough to get started with Retool? We are building https://github.com/trypromptly/LLMStack , a low-code platform to build LLM apps with a goal of making it easy for non-tech people to leverage LLMs in their workflows. Would love to learn about your experience with retool and incorporate some of that feedback into LLMStack.

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Re: Retool AI

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post #10

Hi all, eng who worked on vectors @ Retool here. We’re excited to get HN’s feedback on a new product I’ve been working on: Retool vectors. There’s been a lot of hype around AI, but as I was thinking about what we could launch, there were really very few AI apps that are today _actually_ delivering business value. For example, there are tons of chatbots, summarization bots, etc., but it wasn’t clear how to use them. T…

I'd imagine this is exactly what intercom is doing for their AI. Any ideas why the performance is worse? Maybe intercom didn't have access to forum data?

TBH, I was pretty surprised too. It made me pretty skeptical of off-the-shelf AI apps in general. I now think that most actually effective AI apps will need to be developed in-house, and that “bolting on” AI to existing apps (e.g. Intercom, Salesforce, etc.) won’t work. I think there are a few reasons:

1. A lot of the useful data for answering questions is in our public docs and community forum answers, which Intercom doesn’t have access to. (And we wouldn’t feel comfortable giving them access to our internal Slack anyhow.) For example, we’ve debugged complicated OAuth issues in Slack, and there is a lot of “context” there that is helpful for answering future OAuth questions (but isn’t available to Intercom).

2. Intercom doesn’t allow you to customize prompts or customize context easily. In our case, for a highly technical product, “prompt engineering” allowed us to radically improve answer quality. We could also use chain-of-thought prompting, which Intercom didn’t support. Together these two improvements probably doubled the answer success rate.

3. We needed to integrate with our data warehouse for in-product context. For example, if a customer has an error with a particular product/feature, knowing what plan they’re on, which features they’re using, which feature flags are enabled, etc. is quite helpful.

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