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Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I wonder where that anti-military sentiment in U.S. tech stems from? At least in former Soviet bloc, we view your military in quite a positive light. Well, for sure in a more positive light than armies of competing 'superpowers'.

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> The illegal invasion and occupation of Syria by an imperial force of allies.

Is it the Russians or IS you think are our allies.

Or am I missing out on something here?

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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What is the point? Getting some goodwill of non-paying users (aka. freeloaders), while (maybe) alienating paying users? I get that it is a project that uses lots of volunteer work, but you won't pay your hosting fees and buildfarms from latest rust helloworld-webservice flake contributions from the programmers-socks wearing community. Sidenote: the foundation of current computing is built on DoD money.

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While I think you're being genuine, remember that si vis pacem para bellum: "if you want peace, prepare for war". A blanket antimilitary view is very dangerous. A company should only be ostracised if it's helping carry out war crimes.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Right. So why haven't they gotten rid of Google as a sponsor then given that they also hold contracts with multiple governments, militaries and especially one contract with the Pentagon in the US on top of aiding their surveillance programmes?

(Biased, I work at Google), but I think there's a material difference between what Google does (as I understand it, from public info) – providing infrastructure services on Google Cloud, as all the major cloud providers do, or providing customer support for cloud workloads – and building defence related technology. To my knowledge Google and the other big tech companies aren't building application directly for offenc…

> To my knowledge Google and the other big tech companies aren't building application directly for offence/defence.

Actually there was a big uproar about exactly this several years ago https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/07/google-ai...

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I wonder where that anti-military sentiment in U.S. tech stems from? At least in former Soviet bloc, we view your military in quite a positive light. Well, for sure in a more positive light than armies of competing 'superpowers'.

A bunch of people who grew up during the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions, or for older people Vietnam?

It's been a while since the US was in a war that we looked at afterward (or during, frankly) and said "yeah it was a good and smart thing we did that, worth the costs."

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Is there some specific controversy with Anduril that the community is reacting to, or is NixCon simply avoiding sponsorship from defense firms?

I'm not aware of any specific recent controversy, but the core concept of autonomous military equipment is extremely controversial. Bloomberg called them "Tech's Most Controversial Startup" a few years ago: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-10-03/tech-s-mo...

Palmer Luckey and Peter Thiel themselves are also quite controversial political actors.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I wonder where that anti-military sentiment in U.S. tech stems from? At least in former Soviet bloc, we view your military in quite a positive light. Well, for sure in a more positive light than armies of competing 'superpowers'.

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> In former eastern-bloc countries, such trivialities are easily ignored in the lust for the Western decadence

Also because people there remember the horror of Soviet domination. I am ashamed of my country's (US) crimes too, but they don't make the alternatives on offer any better.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Is there some specific controversy with Anduril that the community is reacting to, or is NixCon simply avoiding sponsorship from defense firms?

Anduril is infamous for its AI sentry towers along the US-Mexico border.

People who push back on technology used at the border make little sense to me. Using technology frees up other resources to process migrants more quickly through the abused asylum process. That means they are in detention for less time, they get court cases quicker, and get asylum or removal quicker.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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I wonder where that anti-military sentiment in U.S. tech stems from? At least in former Soviet bloc, we view your military in quite a positive light. Well, for sure in a more positive light than armies of competing 'superpowers'.

I say this as a Canadian (meaning - don't take my opinion on the US too seriously), but it's so strange to see what's happening to tech.

US Tech in the past: "we dislike the military, the government, the military-industrial complex (and generally all authority) because we skew hippy and/or libertarian. Let us be creative and free!"

US Tech today: "we dislike the military, the government, and the military-industrial complex because our particular flavour of cultural identity politics doesn't like it. Let us conform to the moral outrage of the day."

Meanwhile, the best reason IMO -- "we dislike the military, the government, the military-industrial complex because it serves the interests of the wealthy first and foremost (at the expense of the poor)" -- seems to get less discussion.

But all of these are reasons why tech can dislike the military or at least be uncomfortable with it, even while DARPA funding has helped progress tech and many innovations have come out of military-first applications.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Right. So why haven't they gotten rid of Google as a sponsor then given that they also hold contracts with multiple governments, militaries and especially one contract with the Pentagon in the US on top of aiding their surveillance programmes?

Should they drop power companies and internet service providers too? How many hops away from direct responsibility is enough for moral purity? I think only one hop should do.

Re: NixOS just dropped Anduril as a NixCon sponsor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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While I think you're being genuine, remember that si vis pacem para bellum : "if you want peace, prepare for war". A blanket antimilitary view is very dangerous. A company should only be ostracised if it's helping carry out war crimes.

We can see this right now with the Ukraine invasion. The 'peace' side is advocating giving Putin whatever he wants.
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