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The man is an absolute treasure. A group of friends and I used to have a terrible book club. We read a lot of crap but it made me better understand what I valued in good writing. It was fun and surprisingly insightful.

am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

Read The Dosadi Experiment from Frank Herbert. It is a scratch at best, it is terrible. Was recommended for me by some Dune fans.

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am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

Disclaimer: I'm not a writer, but I do write music. I think there are two types "bad" writing and I think people have a hard time having nuanced discussion about this. First category is what I would personally describe "uninspired". These are works created by artists who arguably have either (1) too little exposure to prior art, or (2) too inexperienced with core skills of writing. So, in terms of my field, these art…

I found your comment to be very insightful. I realise that a lot of the developers I see fall in the first category, primarily due to a lack of experience.

The challenge I see in a lot of software in corporate environments is that, unlike music, the code written due to lack of awareness / experience becomes technical debt as the software keeps growing over time.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

Disclaimer: I'm not a writer, but I do write music. I think there are two types "bad" writing and I think people have a hard time having nuanced discussion about this. First category is what I would personally describe "uninspired". These are works created by artists who arguably have either (1) too little exposure to prior art, or (2) too inexperienced with core skills of writing. So, in terms of my field, these art…

Great analysis, that hits a number of very good points!

In particular it's interesting that you call the first category "uninspired" rather than "lacking skills". A lot of people equate this "uninspired" category with "lacking in personal expression". Typically a really skillful artist can generally make something absolutely mechanical _feel_ personal, whereas an unskilled artist cannot make anything sound personal. There are also specific genres that skew the perception in one way or the other, that will change the threshold of skill for something to be considered "personal" or not.

The second category is interesting if you can identify how problems introduced by the rule-breaking elements could be solved. Any "art rule" solves a problem, and determining an alternative solution for it can lead to a breakthrough. Keyword is "can", there's a lot of experiment required. But in many cases it at least helps understanding better why the "rule" is useful.

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The man is an absolute treasure. A group of friends and I used to have a terrible book club. We read a lot of crap but it made me better understand what I valued in good writing. It was fun and surprisingly insightful.

am interested, do you have a listing of terrible books?

We never kept a list, but 50 Shades, Flowers in the Attic, the Greg Brady Autobiography and Satanic Panic were some notables. Everyone had their own taste for bad writing and read from books like Heroes Are My Weakness to others like A Billionaire Dinosaur Forced Me Gay (which actually turned out to be a big crowd pleaser).

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I used to do standup comedy at the mostly amateur level. One woman who was always at the same shows was so unfunny, she could suck the life out of any room.

I always tried to study her, thinking that if I could understand the essence of why she was so deeply unfunny, I could understand the secret to being funny.

Sadly I could never figure it out. Her unfunniness was inscrutable.

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The man is an absolute treasure. A group of friends and I used to have a terrible book club. We read a lot of crap but it made me better understand what I valued in good writing. It was fun and surprisingly insightful.

You might enjoy the podcast "372 pages we'll never get back". It's basically a bad book club. The title is a reference to the first book they cover which is Ready Player One.

They are on Book 23 or so at the moment, more or less alternating between books by "big" authors like Dan Brown or Sean Penn and super obscure stuff like Harry Potter-Twilight-crossover fan fiction.

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