Chrome beats IE market share for one day • Hacker News Board

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by sad_panda » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:11 AM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

No it doesn't. This is screen that greets new users of Chrome: http://www.google.com/help/hc/images/chrome/chrome_95346_sea...

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by sad_panda » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:12 AM UTC

sirclueless wrote: post #8

Nogwater wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather test my web app in a browser with modern development tools (Chrome, Safari, IE 9, Firefox with Firebug).

I'm not so sure. If half of the value of the app you are developing is that it will still work 5 years after your consulting gig with no intervention, then it's hard to fault someone for choosing IE.

Maybe in the early-aughts. Me, I'd be putting my chips on a Webkit future.

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by strawbucks » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:12 AM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

Isn't Google's dominance in the search engine business pretty well established at this point? Is there a sizable group of people that, upon using Chrome, will be using Google search more often?

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by TheCoreh » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:12 AM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

When you first install Google Chrome, you're presented with the choice of search engine.

I'm pretty sure 99% choose Google not because they are already using Chrome, but because they probably trust or know Google more than Bing or Yahoo.

From my experience, IE users will usually either ignore the Bing search field, type "google.com" in and search manually, or change the search provider to Google anyway.

I would also speculate that a very large portion of Chrome users has no idea that the address bar is also a search field. They probably type in "google.com" manually every time.

If Bing, Yahoo or anyone else provides a more compelling search experience, these users will switch.

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by jonknee » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:18 AM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

Perhaps, but that's mostly because people prefer Google. When you install Chrome it pops up asking what search engine you would like to use. What should Google do differently? Microsoft hides the default search provider in the initial setup behind a "choose custom settings" button.

http://nyacomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/chrome-se...

vs

http://static.arstechnica.com/ie8_search.png

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by cgs1019 » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:37 AM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #15

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

Perhaps, but that's mostly because people prefer Google. When you install Chrome it pops up asking what search engine you would like to use. What should Google do differently? Microsoft hides the default search provider in the initial setup behind a "choose custom settings" button. http://nyacomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/chrome-se... vs http://static.arstechnica.com/ie8_search.png

Wow. The difference in the two images speak volumes.

I may be mistaken but, having happened to install Chrome several times recently, I'm pretty sur that they even randomize the order of the entries so as not to favor any one position. Can anyone confirm/disconfirm?

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by duskwuff » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 4:53 AM UTC

cgs1019 wrote: post #16

jonknee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but that's mostly because people prefer Google. When you install Chrome it pops up asking what search engine you would like to use. What should Google do differently? Microsoft hides the default search provider in the initial setup behind a "choose custom settings" button. http://nyacomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/chrome-se... vs http://static.arstechnica.com/ie8_search.png

Wow. The difference in the two images speak volumes. I may be mistaken but, having happened to install Chrome several times recently, I'm pretty sur that they even randomize the order of the entries so as not to favor any one position. Can anyone confirm/disconfirm?

The Google-Yahoo-Bing order appears to be fixed. That being said, the MSIE search provider install process is much more complex.

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by guynamedloren » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:03 AM UTC

TheCoreh wrote: post #14

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

When you first install Google Chrome, you're presented with the choice of search engine. I'm pretty sure 99% choose Google not because they are already using Chrome, but because they probably trust or know Google more than Bing or Yahoo. From my experience, IE users will usually either ignore the Bing search field, type "google.com" in and search manually, or change the search provider to Google anyway. I would also…

Random story: I've used Chrome since the day it was publicly released and am fully aware that the address bar does more than just accept urls - in fact, it's called the omnibox for a great reason. But I still type in "google.com" for 99% of my searches (probably 100+ times a day). The reason is that I like the Google homepage. The white space allows me to clear my thoughts without being distracted by whatever would be on my screen otherwise, and the search box is perfectly positioned in the center of my screen. Weird, I know, but I like it.

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by Nogwater » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:15 AM UTC

sirclueless wrote: post #8

Nogwater wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather test my web app in a browser with modern development tools (Chrome, Safari, IE 9, Firefox with Firebug).

I'm not so sure. If half of the value of the app you are developing is that it will still work 5 years after your consulting gig with no intervention, then it's hard to fault someone for choosing IE.

Maybe you've had different experiences, but I've had very few problems with forward compatibility in all of the major browsers (IE/FF/Chrome), and I don't know why that would change going forward. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that if you develop your apps to work cross-browser, they're more likely to work in future versions of IE than if you specifically target your dev at a single version of IE. Also, just because I do 90% of my dev work where there are good tools, doesn't mean that I can't or don't test in IE 8- (depending on the target audience).

Re: Chrome beats IE market share for one day

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Post by nextparadigms » Thu, Mar 22, 2012, 5:27 AM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #7

As much as I like Chrome, the increase in Chrome's share also means more people will be using Google by default.. and their search dominance scares me. Consumer web startups can literally die overnight if Google penalizes them(google "TeachStreet"), or if their Adwords account got banned for some unknown reason.

As if Google search wasn't already used by most people? Google has like 90% market share globally. That was the case even when IE had 70% market share, and maybe even earlier.