Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “Our experiment wasn’t a digital approximation of the process – this was a direct analogue observation of the quantum dynamics unfolding at a speed we could observe,” he said. No, they didn’t simulate it in the way we typically simulate. They created a physical process that was an analogue of the actual process but 100b times slower so they could directly observe it.
That sounds awfully like an analogue simulation.
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Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “Our experiment wasn’t a digital approximation of the process – this was a direct analogue observation of the quantum dynamics unfolding at a speed we could observe,” he said. No, they didn’t simulate it in the way we typically simulate. They created a physical process that was an analogue of the actual process but 100b times slower so they could directly observe it.
That sounds awfully like an analogue simulation.
With a regular simulation, whether analogue or digital, you create a mathematical model, and evaluate that model in some way to get a result, which hopefully matches the actual phenomena in whatever it is you were trying to simulate.
Here, it's more like instead of measuring the phenomena, they instead measured something that is physically related to that phenomena. There seems to be no modelling involved.
Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B
#13So they simulated a chemical process, and the simulation ran 100B times slower than the actual chemical process? Kind of like how simulating anything in detail tends to be a lot slower than the actual thing you're simulating? Is the difference here that it's basically an analog rather than a digital simulation? Not following if there was any breakthrough here or not.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “Our experiment wasn’t a digital approximation of the process – this was a direct analogue observation of the quantum dynamics unfolding at a speed we could observe,” he said. No, they didn’t simulate it in the way we typically simulate. They created a physical process that was an analogue of the actual process but 100b times slower so they could directly observe it.
That sounds awfully like an analogue simulation.
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#17So they simulated a chemical process, and the simulation ran 100B times slower than the actual chemical process? Kind of like how simulating anything in detail tends to be a lot slower than the actual thing you're simulating? Is the difference here that it's basically an analog rather than a digital simulation? Not following if there was any breakthrough here or not.
Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B
#18So they simulated a chemical process, and the simulation ran 100B times slower than the actual chemical process? Kind of like how simulating anything in detail tends to be a lot slower than the actual thing you're simulating? Is the difference here that it's basically an analog rather than a digital simulation? Not following if there was any breakthrough here or not.
From the article[1]:
Our approach avoids the limitations of direct experiments on molecular systems, where only few observables such as spectra and scattering cross sections can be measured. [...] A further advantage comes from the ratio (r) of the ion’s natural timescale (ms) and the measurement speed (ns), leading to an increase in the observable timing resolution of r ∼ 10^6. This improves the achievable resolution of chemical dynamics measurements relative to ultrafast observations.
So seems this would be more like running a computer simulation with a super-short timestep, allowing you to extract more details of a process. It's only related to the wall-clock in that they're using a physical analog system, rather than a computer.
> Not following if there was any breakthrough here or not.
Again from the paper:
Our approach to quantum simulation using an MQB trapped-ion system makes chemical dynamics that are otherwise unmeasurable directly accessible in the laboratory. This is a key demonstration of the utility of small-scale quantum computational devices to offer practical insights into chemical dynamics and resolve intractable problems in chemical physics.
Seems the measurement itself was a showcase for the techniques developed.
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#19This stuff is straight up magic.
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#20I was reading a book hoping to work out how to derive E=mc2. My idea was to go from being about 400 years behind science to merely being 100 years behind. This sort of reporting makes me realise those 100 years are not linear. I had to go check that this was real - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41557-023-01300-3 , because it could have as easily been a marketing site for the next Marvel movie for all I could groun…
I thought I would do differently and everyone else was doing wrong. I was the one doing wrong. I didn't learned much from all these original manuscript. I also lost precious years which I could have obtained real Masters degree. It is super important to understand that original manuscripts have tons of noise and baggage that only make sense in historical context. They also have unbacked goods which are super hard to digest, if you can digest at all. A ton of experts have already spent their lives distilling these original writings that fits with everything else, easy to digest and doesn't have all that noise. So, get a good textbook and follow that. Stop chasing original manuscripts.