Funnily enough the Example Page 1 is wrong. Rendering du^n as du^*, and then nu^n-1 as nw^*-1.
It is impressive but...it really feels like those are the details that really really matter.
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Re: Nougat: Neural Optical Understanding for Academic Documents
#12Funnily enough the Example Page 1 is wrong. Rendering du^n as du^*, and then nu^n-1 as nw^*-1. It is impressive but...it really feels like those are the details that really really matter.
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#13This is great, but when is academia, business and government going to finally get off PDF as a typical standard? It's awful, not adaptive for mobile, and a pain in the ass to work with for any kind of development.
We need more DjVu!
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pdf looks the same everywhere and is self-contained. an "immutable" document which looks the same for everyone if it hashes to the same sha... key. which has a value on it's own.
There's nothing immutable about pdfs. If you have an "original" document, it'll always hash to whatever it hashes to. I fail to see the point. You can cite md5 hashes on LG the same whether they're pdfs or epubs or, heaven forbid, azw3 (amazon's proprietary epub-like format). What's the obsession with "looking the same everywhere"? Page references: this shouldn't be a thing. Academia has already solved this problem f…
Most academic PDFs are typeset and consequently look better than typical web sites. There are notable exceptions such as distill.pub
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
pdf looks the same everywhere and is self-contained. an "immutable" document which looks the same for everyone if it hashes to the same sha... key. which has a value on it's own.
There's nothing immutable about pdfs. If you have an "original" document, it'll always hash to whatever it hashes to. I fail to see the point. You can cite md5 hashes on LG the same whether they're pdfs or epubs or, heaven forbid, azw3 (amazon's proprietary epub-like format). What's the obsession with "looking the same everywhere"? Page references: this shouldn't be a thing. Academia has already solved this problem f…
that's all missing the point.
mhtml would somewhat fit part of the bill of what PDF offers: a single downloadable "file" you can archive or forward and you know: the recipient will see exactly what you saw.
however the mhtml doesn't look the same, depending on the device. and looking.exactly the same helps a great deal in convincing a judge that we all talk about the same.thing.
get me right.
I hate PDF with all passion of my heart. epub (similar to mhtml) imho is a much better format for many intents and purposes and it allows to reflow the contents depending on the device.
but the claim was "PDF is useless and.shall go" and that's cutting.it too short.
Re: Nougat: Neural Optical Understanding for Academic Documents
#16Funnily enough the Example Page 1 is wrong. Rendering du^n as du^*, and then nu^n-1 as nw^*-1. It is impressive but...it really feels like those are the details that really really matter.
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#17Funnily enough the Example Page 1 is wrong. Rendering du^n as du^*, and then nu^n-1 as nw^*-1. It is impressive but...it really feels like those are the details that really really matter.
Second page is even worse. Ends in repeated \cdots and doesn’t finish parsing page. Also it read number 73 as 3 I guess because the previous section number was 2.
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#18This is great, but when is academia, business and government going to finally get off PDF as a typical standard? It's awful, not adaptive for mobile, and a pain in the ass to work with for any kind of development.
not adaptive for mobile
I look at pdfs on my phone all the time, it's great. 'Optimized for mobile' usually means oversized fonts and a shitty UI so I get RSI in my thumb from endless scrolling.
PDF is kind of an ugly format, but the problem with realtime text flow etc. is that designers are (at the behest of clients) are always trying to look visually distinct and as a result nothing is standardized or predictable at the rendering end. 95% of digital layout is ass compared to the print version.
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What's a good alternative, for users and developers? I don't have any love for PDF, but I'm actually not sure what's more cross-platform. Any browser will render PDF, so everyone already has a viewer on their computer. A browser will also print any document to PDF, and many other editors can export to PDF (though perhaps not import for editing) It can't be replaced by an Office format, like docx, because even today a…
HTML and various javascript libraries like mathjax or other libraries for charts and graphs. > Doesn't seem like HTML would fly, either, given all the kinds of things that get embedded into PDF. That's ironic. Browser PDF readers, at least open source ones, render PDFs as HTML using javascript. At least I'm sure about FF because I just checked that text from a native-digital pdf showed up in the DOM in developer tool…
> HTML and various javascript libraries like mathjax or other libraries for charts and graphs.
How do you email that to someone as an attachment? Can you embed all of that stuff into a single .html file?
Re: Nougat: Neural Optical Understanding for Academic Documents
#20If you are interested in this sort of thing for producing LaTeX documents, I've had good experience with [Mathpix](https://mathpix.com) in the past. It can take most anything I throw at it, and even render matrices well.