Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by melling » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:32 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #7

freehunter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

I love Apple products but I don't think my Safari iPad browser needs to crash all the time. Embedded video especially seems to be a problem.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by ArthurLozinski » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:32 PM UTC

"We're essentially enabling you to break the electronic concrete of the past and move your business to the future, by connecting your people, by enabling your people to communicate and collaborate in real time, and by taking all the wealth of communication, collaboration, and social networking opportunities, and apply those into very specific business scenarios."

Now that sounds good! What would be even better, is if you build the whole thing on web-standards ;-)

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by andrewljohnson » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:33 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #3

Has anyone figured out why exactly Microsoft makes such buggy software? Is it a company culture thing?

Conway's Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conways_law

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by twargoth » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:33 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #6

Radzell wrote: post #2

Lol, maybe Microsoft hasn't changed. I like windows on desktop, but I love android on tablet. I guess I'll sticking with android for now.

Android never freezes or crashes. Come to think of it, neither does iOS or OSX, or Linux. Oh wait, almost all software crashes.

No iOS product would crap itself like that during a keynote demo. Sure, I've had them panic and reboot on me in real world use, but Apple takes the time to make sure the demo runs smoothly.

When you can't or don't make your demo run smoothly during a high visibility presentation, it makes you look careless, either in the development of your product or of your demo. In either case, it reeks of incompetence. This might not be a justified impression (accidents happen), but that's how life is.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by stevejabs » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:35 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #7

freehunter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

I seem to recall an iOS presentation where people were told to turn off their wifi or Jobsy wouldn't continue...

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by throwaway64 » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:35 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #7

freehunter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

both lion and snow leopard have had their share of buggy behavior

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by prezjordan » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:37 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #7

freehunter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

Honestly? The average consumer doesn't need that degree of quality. I have friends who cannot tell the difference between scrolling on my Android phone and scrolling on my iPhone. It's something that drives me wild.

I feel that it's almost the same principle - things may crash here and there but it's "no big deal" to most people.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by efsavage » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:37 PM UTC

firefoxman1 wrote: post #7

freehunter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

You partly answered your own question. When you control the hardware and the software, the number of testing variables goes down dramatically.

Of course, by that logic, since the same company that made my macbook did the hardware and the software, I'd expect it to be much more stable than my windows boxes, but sadly it is not.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by sigvef » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:38 PM UTC

"Windows 8, which Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices"

Doesn't Linux already do this? Or does it not count, as it is only a kernel?

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by ugh » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 1:38 PM UTC

So, uhm, I’m not a fan of Windows 8, but why exactly is this in any way a big deal?

It's not finished. It will break. You have a backup device (or two) ready when you present it in front of a crowd.

Apple does it (I remember keynotes where they had to switch to their backup Mac), Microsoft does it, everyone does it.