Pick your poison. For all its flaws, I'll still take citizen journalism over corporate interests. The MSM abdicated its journalistic responsibility in favor of activism and manipulation; they caused this as much as social media did.
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The Fandomization of News
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#12News has always been fake. The earliest centralised news was local kings, lords, whatever, instructing the town crier or scribe what to tell the people. You'd be nuts to think it had anything to do with facts. As civilisation developed, and we had things like the Roman Empire, it was the same deal, except different senators or others would pay criers to spread stories in different sectors, usually their own or a comp…
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"citizen journalism" is what we used to call rumour, gossip, and hearsay. It still is.
Take that as a signal. The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more. I can appreciate that people might pick “unreliable“ over “actively manipulating.”
> The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more
no it hasn't, and no they don't
this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people"
some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that "people" don't trust science
just say "I" instead.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Take that as a signal. The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more. I can appreciate that people might pick “unreliable“ over “actively manipulating.”
> The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more no it hasn't, and no they don't this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people" some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that…
> no it hasn't, and no they don't
wow, that's sure persuasive.
Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The messaging in journalism has been so thoroughly hijacked that people trust gossip more no it hasn't, and no they don't this is an example of a common occurrence: a loud minority incorrectly thinking that their opinions represent those of "[the] people" some other examples are American conservatives with their incorrect ideas of what "[the] people" want, and anti-science advocates with their incorrect views that…
> no it hasn't, and no they don't wow, that's sure persuasive. Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."
almost as unpersuasive as the original claim that it has, and they do - a loud minority opinion if I ever heard one, and one that deserves no more effort refuting than you spent proving it in the first place (none)
open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, because the article disagrees with you
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#16Does anybody have a source (CJ or traditional) that is unbiased?
It seems that everything from mass media to small tiktokers are so biased, I can't believe anything they say.
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#17> Platforms like Instagram and TikTok have grown beyond making connections and delivering entertainment into places people trust to keep themselves informed And the NYT, MSNBC, Foxnews, Verge et al have grown beyond places people trust to keep themselves informed into delivering entertainment, going back to the early 2000s with 24 hour cable news and talking heads shows.
Oh I think it goes further back than that. Read a turn-of-the-20th century newspaper for some sensational headlines and muckracking. Perhaps it's always been this way. "Informing the public" via news is inseparable from gossip and campfire tales.
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#18News has always been fake. The earliest centralised news was local kings, lords, whatever, instructing the town crier or scribe what to tell the people. You'd be nuts to think it had anything to do with facts. As civilisation developed, and we had things like the Roman Empire, it was the same deal, except different senators or others would pay criers to spread stories in different sectors, usually their own or a comp…
So true. Sorry you're downvoted.
Even investigative reporting and historical scholarship suffer. Anyone investigating or studying anything needs to pick and choose which sources they're going to rely on, and therefore introducing intrinsic biases and only as reliable as the sources they rely on.
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> no it hasn't, and no they don't wow, that's sure persuasive. Trust in the media is at an all-time low. That isn't "a loud minority."
almost as unpersuasive as the original claim that it has, and they do - a loud minority opinion if I ever heard one, and one that deserves no more effort refuting than you spent proving it in the first place (none) open to hearing evidence of that claim of yours, because the article disagrees with you
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#20Does anybody have a source (CJ or traditional) that is unbiased? It seems that everything from mass media to small tiktokers are so biased, I can't believe anything they say.
All news is biased and has been. Even if not deliberately, the journalists are not experts on what they report on so don't alwys spot errors or biases in their sources.
You have always had to read or listen to several sources.
Some sources are less biased than others. E>g. in the UK the print media is biased and readers do know which way e.g. Daily Telegraph is right wing and Guardian is left wing. The broadcast media is less biased as there is legislation to form some form of control. Most of the broadcast media get complaints from both left and right wing - although GB News seems to be firmly right wing.