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The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

RTGs have been going to space since the 60s [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_...

RTGs do not use fission and do not create fission products. Nuclear fuels are harmless in comparison to Strontium-90 and Cesium-137.

Then you are going to love SNAP-10A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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Finally! This is one of the few fission uses I'm genuinely excited about. Nuclear-thermal just makes so much sense for in-space propulsion of large vessels compared to chemical rockets.

I think the obvious concern would be failure scenarios. There will always be failures in space technology. As space expands exponentially (as it is likely to do so in the future), failures will become relatively regular. So the obvious question would be what would happen if a nuclear rocket, with reaction in process, crashed to Earth. Or even if it broke up in the atmosphere.

I assume here you mean to denote by "space" the number of human spacecraft, and not the negative pressure contribution in the cosmological stress-energy tensor. In that case, why should it be likely to expand exponentially in the future?

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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This might be a good time to review the number of failed rocket launches we've seen in the last few years. Now, imagine them with nuclear materials aboard.

Reusability helps with long term reliability. You would probably want to avoid launching nuclear material on a new rocket, but a human rated rocket like Falcon 9 would be totally fine.

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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This might be a good time to review the number of failed rocket launches we've seen in the last few years. Now, imagine them with nuclear materials aboard.

Depending on the design, failure during launch can be anywhere from "meh" to "basically high-altitude Chernobyl" — random actinide decay products (and plutonium fuel) are bad, unreacted uranium fuel is mostly a heavy metal hazard rather than a radiation hazard.

(Could be worse, but the Orion drive is currently illegal by treaty and hopefully nobody is dumb enough to use that in Earth's ionosphere anyway).

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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This might be a good time to review the number of failed rocket launches we've seen in the last few years. Now, imagine them with nuclear materials aboard.

Depending on the design, failure during launch can be anywhere from "meh" to "basically high-altitude Chernobyl" — random actinide decay products (and plutonium fuel) are bad, unreacted uranium fuel is mostly a heavy metal hazard rather than a radiation hazard. (Could be worse, but the Orion drive is currently illegal by treaty and hopefully nobody is dumb enough to use that in Earth's ionosphere anyway).

I remember learning that when they started testing atomic bombs (I think?) the nuclear debris in the air spread basically throughout the whole united states and the government tried to keep quiet about it. Something similar will probably happen here if they mess up with the launch.

Btw, the video I saw was on Veritasium.

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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This might be a good time to review the number of failed rocket launches we've seen in the last few years. Now, imagine them with nuclear materials aboard.

Falcon9 hadn’t had a failure for nearly a decade

Falcon 9 has had more than 200 consecutive successful flights in a row. That is more than double the next most successful, Delta II with 100 in a row.

It also has well over 100 successful landings in a row, while the next closest rocket has 0. (Rocket, not capsule or shuttle, which are all still far lower)

Re: The US government is taking a step toward space-based nuclear propulsion

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This might be a good time to review the number of failed rocket launches we've seen in the last few years. Now, imagine them with nuclear materials aboard.

Depending on the design, failure during launch can be anywhere from "meh" to "basically high-altitude Chernobyl" — random actinide decay products (and plutonium fuel) are bad, unreacted uranium fuel is mostly a heavy metal hazard rather than a radiation hazard. (Could be worse, but the Orion drive is currently illegal by treaty and hopefully nobody is dumb enough to use that in Earth's ionosphere anyway).

The nuclear payload could be treated similar to humans, with eject systems and soft landing built in.

The fuel will only be needed for a lighter craft in deep space. Getting it up with a high reliability rocket (like Falcon 9) significantly decreases risk.

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