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Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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Re: Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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interested to hear what other hners think about this. anybody did this for interviewing before? i myself had a beer with my phd supervisor as our first meeting, not sure this really help knowing whether we'd get along because turns out we didn't

I've had a meal as a first interview for a couple jobs. (OK, I got accidentally stood up at one and the second was an informal chat "interview.")

It probably depends on the industry and company but, in general, alcohol in a lot of professional contexts is probably less, ahem, free-flowing than it once was. Dinner, cocktails, maybe the odd social hour but not in conjunction with an interview otherwise probably.

Re: Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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It’s not a Steve Jobs interview, way back during my consulting days, partners used to say the same thing, we hire people based on whether I’d go hang out with this person over a beer or not.

Tbh, it kind of made sense in consulting when you had a lot of traveling to do, spend time in middle of nowhere towns with your colleagues and hours at an airport when your flight was delayed. And I say kind of, because it instantly became a bros club and because consulting doesn’t really require any skills beyond being that person who you’d have beers with.

Coming back to Steve Jobs and the corporate bs, this kind of test makes absolutely no sense. You need pilots who can fly a plane, not have beers with you. You need surgeons who can do the impossible surgeries, not the dude who can tell the best jokes over beer. You need the engineers who can build products, not frat boys you can do shots with.

- Former frat boy consultant who absolutely hated it

Re: Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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I’m skeptical of this story as well, or at least skeptical of its applicability, but even if true, this feels like more of that “Steve Jobs did it, and he was successful, so you should do it if you want to be successful like him!” type pablum. Steve Jobs was successful because he had an aesthetic sense for technology that put his peers to shame and was enough of a monomaniacal asshole to be able to deliver the products he wanted. If you are reading this article, you are not Steve Jobs, and would be better served by learning people skills, because you probably don’t have the talent to compensate for being as much of an asshole as Jobs was.

As to the advice itself - “do I want to have a beer with this person” is why our industry looks like a dude rodeo and has led to some of the most incompetent, myopic, nepotistic teams I’ve ever had the misfortune of working with. “Does this person bring skills, talents, and perspectives we currently lack” is a better question. “Does this person look at things in a different way to the rest of the team, so as to help us spot things we otherwise wouldn’t” is a very good one as well. But “would I have a beer with this person” is going to give you people who don’t challenge you and is going to lead you to wonder why your org can’t seem to hire anyone except mid-20s white dudes.

Re: Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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If you search on Google "Steve Jobs" "beer test", and ask for only 2020 records, the only records that come up are pages that have this 2023 story in their 'also' links.

Pretty sure this is not a legitimate story.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Steve+Jobs%22+%22Beer+Tes...

Re: Steve Jobs had a “beer test” he used for job interviews

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If you search on Google "Steve Jobs" "beer test", and ask for only 2020 records, the only records that come up are pages that have this 2023 story in their 'also' links. Pretty sure this is not a legitimate story. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Steve+Jobs%22+%22Beer+Tes...

I always thought Jobs was something of a "foody" type. This story rings false.
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