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Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Ha, in Europe WhatsApp is even used by doctors and teachers to discuss patient/student matters, and even some government offices use it. It's wild how entrenched it is in every aspects of society, from social to business. Goes to show you how far good UX, simplicity and ease of use can take you.

Also security. WhatsApp end-to-end encryption or even better, Signal where messages can't be replicated to any other device is more reassuring than a custom implementation ...

But it looks like this lawsuit is exactly about the opposite, that messages cannot be accessed and reviewed easily. It's also easy to understand why banks prefer using secured applications like Signal when discussing secret deals rather than taking the risk that such conversations leak to e.g. competitors...

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK you are allowed to use any channel as long as you preserve records of the conversation. However, meeting the standards for preservation is quite difficult, which is why employees of financial institutions are generally told not to communicate outside person-to-person, or channels vetted by their company (and lawyers thereof).

Such a waste of time trying intently to regulate and control communication. People will just get a second private device that is not managed by the organization, and if there is a mutually beneficial advantage to doing so, the other party will do the same as well. This has been going on forever, I remember when they kicked up a huge fuss when they found out that people were doing direct pin-to-pin messages on the bla…

Isn't this an argument that doing anything that is illegal but beneficial to the conspirators should be left alone?

If it were totally allowed and widespread how would there be any pretence of fairness in the markets? Of course you could say that at least then people would be appreciating the reality of the situation . . .

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#13

Ha, in Europe WhatsApp is even used by doctors and teachers to discuss patient/student matters, and even some government offices use it. It's wild how entrenched it is in every aspects of society, from social to business. Goes to show you how far good UX, simplicity and ease of use can take you.

Also security. WhatsApp end-to-end encryption or even better, Signal where messages can't be replicated to any other device is more reassuring than a custom implementation ... But it looks like this lawsuit is exactly about the opposite, that messages cannot be accessed and reviewed easily. It's also easy to understand why banks prefer using secured applications like Signal when discussing secret deals rather than ta…

> WhatsApp end-to-end encryption or even better

so they claim… not that fb has ever given us a reason to trust them.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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No person on Earth (except a very reasonably suspected terrorist perhaps, because he could use that for an attack trigger) should be ever denied privacy. What if I worked at a bank and had to text something urgent to my dear? I would find it asolutely unacceptable for anybody to ever read that, no matter how innocent and banal our conversatioun would be. To me that would be equivalent to tapping into my brain and eavesdropping on my very thoughts.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Ha, in Europe WhatsApp is even used by doctors and teachers to discuss patient/student matters, and even some government offices use it. It's wild how entrenched it is in every aspects of society, from social to business. Goes to show you how far good UX, simplicity and ease of use can take you.

Also security. WhatsApp end-to-end encryption or even better, Signal where messages can't be replicated to any other device is more reassuring than a custom implementation ... But it looks like this lawsuit is exactly about the opposite, that messages cannot be accessed and reviewed easily. It's also easy to understand why banks prefer using secured applications like Signal when discussing secret deals rather than ta…

I doubt that more than 1% of people using WhatsApp actually care about E2E encryption

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Ha, in Europe WhatsApp is even used by doctors and teachers to discuss patient/student matters, and even some government offices use it. It's wild how entrenched it is in every aspects of society, from social to business. Goes to show you how far good UX, simplicity and ease of use can take you.

How often is the use GDPR compliant?

I guess people don't care unless someone sues

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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post #9

Ha, in Europe WhatsApp is even used by doctors and teachers to discuss patient/student matters, and even some government offices use it. It's wild how entrenched it is in every aspects of society, from social to business. Goes to show you how far good UX, simplicity and ease of use can take you.

Never heard of it. Perhaps not in the entire europe?

Yeah, not entirely.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never heard of it. Perhaps not in the entire europe?

Can't speak for the entire Europe obviously, usage varies from country to country, but where I've been it's pretty well entrenched for bot social and business.

WhatsApp is widely used by UK ministers to communicate with potential donors, lobbyists and other politicians. I don't know why it's allowed; in-person meetings are supposed to have a civil servant present and taking notes. WhatsApp gets them off the FOI hook.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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No person on Earth (except a very reasonably suspected terrorist perhaps, because he could use that for an attack trigger) should be ever denied privacy. What if I worked at a bank and had to text something urgent to my dear? I would find it asolutely unacceptable for anybody to ever read that, no matter how innocent and banal our conversatioun would be. To me that would be equivalent to tapping into my brain and eav…

As per the article, the issue is that employees were using encrypted messaging apps for work purposes. This is strictly forbidden by regulations, or at least failing to preserve your communications is.
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