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How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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While I have some sympathy for the policy makers attempting to do this they do appear to be oblivious that to the outside world, especially their allies, the meta-lesson is any critical industry will eventually be onshored by the printing of hundreds of billions to price you out if necessary. This isn't a recipe for long term peaceful co-operation.

It's ridiculous to criticise China on one hand, and then emulate every move they've made ten/twenty years later.

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

#13
Judging by all the construction I see at the fabs around me, the people I see moving in to get the new jobs working at the fabs or related businesses, I'd say its pretty real to me and those around me.

https://www.ti.com/about-ti/company/ti-at-a-glance/manufactu...

https://news.ti.com/blog/2022/09/29/tis-new-300-millimeter-w...

https://dallasinnovates.com/finisar-considers-3-billion-semi...

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/jobs/2022/12/07/sherman-...

https://www.samsung.com/us/sas/Taylor

> Texas has led the country in semiconductor exports for 11 straight years, and has shown a commitment to expanding the industry.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/26/texas-chips-act-semi...

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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post #6

When these types of things are funded one always gets the sinking feeling that the money is just getting stolen and/or wasted by savvy insiders who know how to write grants or who know the right people. In fact, I think that's a reasonable assumption and some proof is required to show that it is not the case.

Good thing there are $200B worth of proof already. At what point would you be satisfied, if 100% of semi manufacturing took place in the US and 0 chips were manufactured elsewhere the instant the grants were handed out?

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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While I have some sympathy for the policy makers attempting to do this they do appear to be oblivious that to the outside world, especially their allies, the meta-lesson is any critical industry will eventually be onshored by the printing of hundreds of billions to price you out if necessary. This isn't a recipe for long term peaceful co-operation. It's ridiculous to criticise China on one hand, and then emulate ever…

How is it ridiculous to build redundancy when the entire global economy has a single point of failure on an island just off the shore of a sworn foe, which they also would love to invade? If it hurts someone's feelings, they need to grow up - the situation is untenable and onshoring is the correct strategy.

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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Judging by all the construction I see at the fabs around me, the people I see moving in to get the new jobs working at the fabs or related businesses, I'd say its pretty real to me and those around me. https://www.ti.com/about-ti/company/ti-at-a-glance/manufactu... https://news.ti.com/blog/2022/09/29/tis-new-300-millimeter-w... https://dallasinnovates.com/finisar-considers-3-billion-semi... https://www.dallasnews.com…

Heh. We must live close to each other. I made the same comment with fewer (read: no) sources.

Definitely a lot of heavy construction.

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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Judging by all the construction I see at the fabs around me, the people I see moving in to get the new jobs working at the fabs or related businesses, I'd say its pretty real to me and those around me. https://www.ti.com/about-ti/company/ti-at-a-glance/manufactu... https://news.ti.com/blog/2022/09/29/tis-new-300-millimeter-w... https://dallasinnovates.com/finisar-considers-3-billion-semi... https://www.dallasnews.com…

I've been thinking about moving out to that area. Building these fabs will do amazing things for the local community & economy. It is also likely the most resilient part of the TX power grid...

Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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While I have some sympathy for the policy makers attempting to do this they do appear to be oblivious that to the outside world, especially their allies, the meta-lesson is any critical industry will eventually be onshored by the printing of hundreds of billions to price you out if necessary. This isn't a recipe for long term peaceful co-operation. It's ridiculous to criticise China on one hand, and then emulate ever…

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Re: How real is America’s chipmaking renaissance?

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post #6

When these types of things are funded one always gets the sinking feeling that the money is just getting stolen and/or wasted by savvy insiders who know how to write grants or who know the right people. In fact, I think that's a reasonable assumption and some proof is required to show that it is not the case.

It's hard to fake a building going up.
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