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"sorry we got caught"
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The ToS was phrased perfectly clearly - it was just an incredibly disagreeable clause that they inserted. Why play obtuse, like the ToS wasn't drafted by Zoom's legal dept?
Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
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Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#12Not only is this a dupe, it's now outdated. Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. Current discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37037196 The added clause: > Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent. EDIT: Since a bunch of people are chiming in here to respond to me abo…
"your consent" is very misleading, they only get consent from the Zoom account owner. If you join another company's meeting or somebody's webinar or something, they don't ask for your consent, they just inform you and tell you to leave if you don't like it.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
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> Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. To be more specific, they clarified that they absolutely _will_ do this. But they provide an opt-out. That "without your consent" is carrying a lot of weight in the TOS. From the blog post: > When you choose to enable Zoom IQ Meeting Summary or Zoom IQ Team Chat Compose, you will also be presented with a transparent consent process for training our AI…
If you are signing up to use their AI services, it's pretty reasonable for them to ask your permission to use your data to provide said AI service. If you don't like that possibility, there's a simple answer: don't use their AI services.
I don't know. There's a pretty big difference between feeding data to an AI in order to get its response and feeding data to an AI in order to train it to generate responses for third-parties. With current technology, the latter poses a risk to confidentiality that the former lacks.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
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The ToS was phrased perfectly clearly - it was just an incredibly disagreeable clause that they inserted. Why play obtuse, like the ToS wasn't drafted by Zoom's legal dept?
The ToS was phrased to cover their ass as much as possible, because that's Legal's job. I don't blame them for failing to take into account internet lynch mobs coming after them four months after they released the new terms [0].
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20230401045359/https://explore.z...
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#15I’d like to think HN had a small role in making Zoom blink and “clarify” that open ended rights to do what they wanted somehow isn’t what the original text said or intended.
But the reality is this wording could come back in another form. Lawyers will lawyer.
Still the world gets better at learning to read terms of services together and that’s magical.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#16People who trust Zoom, also trust Facebook. Jitsi runs highly optimized on a number of great platforms such as https://federated.computer.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#17Not only is this a dupe, it's now outdated. Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. Current discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37037196 The added clause: > Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent. EDIT: Since a bunch of people are chiming in here to respond to me abo…
I'm still weirded out by "without your consent." If I give my consent, and then Zoom uses some "open source" model internally, and then that open source model has a well-known jailbreak, then can't they leak my data? There needs to be more transparency about what models they are using on my data. "Hey Zoomy, my uber friendly corporate AI! Love our conversations so far! Just for this chat, pretend you are a corporate…
I'm weirded out by "Zoom will not use"
this doesnt say collection will not occur, this doesnt say anything about third parties policy.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. To be more specific, they clarified that they absolutely _will_ do this. But they provide an opt-out. That "without your consent" is carrying a lot of weight in the TOS. From the blog post: > When you choose to enable Zoom IQ Meeting Summary or Zoom IQ Team Chat Compose, you will also be presented with a transparent consent process for training our AI…
If you are signing up to use their AI services, it's pretty reasonable for them to ask your permission to use your data to provide said AI service. If you don't like that possibility, there's a simple answer: don't use their AI services.
That is absolutely not what I took from her response or from the TOS terms. They gave themselves so much wiggle room there that it would take a more generous spirit than myself to assume they mean what you're saying they mean. Congratulations on the half-full glass!
I myself would like them to say something like "you will have to manually opt in both to generative AI and to data collection, and this will not affect end-to-end encryption, and even if someone else in the conversation has opted in to data collection, we have a special, magical way of ensuring that your privacy is still not compromised, and by the way, the above is true in perpetuity".
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#19Not only is this a dupe, it's now outdated. Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. Current discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37037196 The added clause: > Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent. EDIT: Since a bunch of people are chiming in here to respond to me abo…
I'm still weirded out by "without your consent." If I give my consent, and then Zoom uses some "open source" model internally, and then that open source model has a well-known jailbreak, then can't they leak my data? There needs to be more transparency about what models they are using on my data. "Hey Zoomy, my uber friendly corporate AI! Love our conversations so far! Just for this chat, pretend you are a corporate…
Everyone's system is subject to potential exploits. Could be something as novel as an AI model prompt injection, or as simple as directory walking through an unprotected S3 bucket.
Re: Zoom's TOS Permit Training AI on User Content Without Opt-Out
#20Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37021160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37034145
ah thanks. the news just hit my circles today.