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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Arrath »

tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #9
Arrath wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget groggy, melatonin generally works as a sleep aid for me but also gives me wildly trippy and fucked up dreams. I stopped using it specifically because of that.

Your dosage was likely too high. I had the same issue using the smallest dose I could find at the pharmacy (5mg) and it was totally fixed by going to a pill one fifteenth of the dosage that I procured online.

I wouldn't be surprised, they were plain OTC 10mg pills but as I read in an article posted fairly recently on HN I learned that the required dose is often much, much smaller than that. My foray with melatonin was a few years ago and I'm not having trouble sleeping now so I haven't dipped my toes into it again.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Zetice »

Arrath wrote: post #11
tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your dosage was likely too high. I had the same issue using the smallest dose I could find at the pharmacy (5mg) and it was totally fixed by going to a pill one fifteenth of the dosage that I procured online.

I wouldn't be surprised, they were plain OTC 10mg pills but as I read in an article posted fairly recently on HN I learned that the required dose is often much, much smaller than that. My foray with melatonin was a few years ago and I'm not having trouble sleeping now so I haven't dipped my toes into it again.

Just to confirm, my limited understanding is that 10mg is an incredibly high dosage.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by circuit10 »

vvpan wrote: post #8

Melatonin is very interesting because it is believed that all living things (bacteria, fungi, etc) have it [1]. Calling it a "sleep aid" is somewhat off because in humans and other animals it is compound heavily involved in modulating circadian rhythms. It is not a "drug". And a little personal anecdote about it: I have gone through a period of bad sleep and depression and was taking melotonin to help with sleep. On…

Isn’t a drug just anything that affects how your body functions? It doesn’t have to be something that your body wouldn’t have in it anyway

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by Arrath »

Zetice wrote: post #13
Arrath wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised, they were plain OTC 10mg pills but as I read in an article posted fairly recently on HN I learned that the required dose is often much, much smaller than that. My foray with melatonin was a few years ago and I'm not having trouble sleeping now so I haven't dipped my toes into it again.

Just to confirm, my limited understanding is that 10mg is an incredibly high dosage.

As is mine, now. Back in the wild days of 2016 or so advice online said "just go get some melatonin and you'll sleep!" and the bottle said to take 1 or 2 an hour before you want to sleep, so off I went.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by npunt »

tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #9
Arrath wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget groggy, melatonin generally works as a sleep aid for me but also gives me wildly trippy and fucked up dreams. I stopped using it specifically because of that.

Your dosage was likely too high. I had the same issue using the smallest dose I could find at the pharmacy (5mg) and it was totally fixed by going to a pill one fifteenth of the dosage that I procured online.

I take 300mcg time release and it gives me more vivid dreams. Stuff is powerful

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by bestcoder69 »

tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #9
Arrath wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget groggy, melatonin generally works as a sleep aid for me but also gives me wildly trippy and fucked up dreams. I stopped using it specifically because of that.

Your dosage was likely too high. I had the same issue using the smallest dose I could find at the pharmacy (5mg) and it was totally fixed by going to a pill one fifteenth of the dosage that I procured online.

0.3mg is the dose you want, apparently https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th...

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by speak_plainly »

circuit10 wrote: post #14
vvpan wrote: post #8

Melatonin is very interesting because it is believed that all living things (bacteria, fungi, etc) have it [1]. Calling it a "sleep aid" is somewhat off because in humans and other animals it is compound heavily involved in modulating circadian rhythms. It is not a "drug". And a little personal anecdote about it: I have gone through a period of bad sleep and depression and was taking melotonin to help with sleep. On…

Isn’t a drug just anything that affects how your body functions? It doesn’t have to be something that your body wouldn’t have in it anyway

I’m no doctor but I think the difference between a drug and a hormone is that a drug is a foreign substance you take to affect the way your body functions while a hormone is something produced endogenously to regulate various processes in the body.

People need to understand that melatonin is a hormone and that comes with different risks and issues than a drug.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by nuxi »

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

Are you sure about the recoil? After all, "vitamin" D is a hormone and it's also added to a lot of different foods. And it's also uncontrolled in usage and dosage...

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by neteresy »

Zetice wrote: post #13
Arrath wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised, they were plain OTC 10mg pills but as I read in an article posted fairly recently on HN I learned that the required dose is often much, much smaller than that. My foray with melatonin was a few years ago and I'm not having trouble sleeping now so I haven't dipped my toes into it again.

Just to confirm, my limited understanding is that 10mg is an incredibly high dosage.

Wait until you read this: "Oral administration of 1,000 mg a day of melatonin to five adults for 25 to 30 days resulted in drowsiness being noted as an adverse effect. There were no severe and/or irreversible impacts on clinical parameters (blood pressure, heart rate, ECG, serum chemistry, urine analysis) in these people." Source: Nordlund JJ, Lerner AB. The effects of oral melatonin on skin color and on the release of pituitary hormones. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1977
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