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“We are not cheating” (YH Kwon superconductor comments)

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Post by wslh »

luca_null wrote: post #3

I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

> I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty.

This is because you are a witness and obviously past discoveries are read in books just as a facts. Even when there is a story, the story doesn't have the "resolution" to mimic every hour, day, weeks, etc of the event. And in such great events, even if they don't work but the people involved think they work, there is great greed. Pure Shakespeare?

Borges wrote in Funes the Memorious [1] "Two or three times he had reconstructed an entire day; he had never once erred or faltered, but each reconstruction had itself taken an entire day." [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funes_the_Memorious

[2] https://formazione.indire.it/paths/jorge-luis-borges-funes-h...

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Post by jacquesm »

luca_null wrote: post #3

I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

Potentially the most important discovery of your lifetime. Subtle but important difference.

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Post by mdip »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #10
luca_null wrote: post #3

I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". In national newspaper. But you have to also understand every discovery is met with skepticism, because 99.9999999% of them turn out BS. Ideally, humanity would cut it out with the idiotic hot takes (both rejecting and glorifying the paper... based on "hunches") and review the paper and try to reproduce. Unfortunately that's hard. While idiotic hot takes are easy. A…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I guess. I'm not at all surprised there's this much drama around this. It sounds like it's a matter of a little time and we'll know what's going on.

   > Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science".
Thankfully, along the way, we discovered that "Jew Science" is quite good. I imagine an alien civilization visiting the Earth at that time trying to make sense of the arguments being given as to why one particular race/nationality's science is better than another's ... I think we'd find our answer to the Fermi paradox, maybe.

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Post by mrtksn »

moralestapia wrote: post #8

All of this is just noise. The experiment has to be reproduced and measured by others. Then we will know.

And if the reproduction is hard to nail due to delicacies in the process, the the inventors should provide samples for analysis.

According to the tweet in question, YH Kwon had samples with him and was willing make them available for investigation but they didn’t have the tools for.

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Post by fouc »

luca_null wrote: post #3

I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.

Part of that "cloud of uncertainty" is manufactured, people generating irrelevant analysis for attention.

Given the current facts we just need to wait a few days or a few weeks for replication results. Anything else is entertainment/noise/attention-getting

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Post by viraptor »

jpeter wrote: post #16
moralestapia wrote: post #8

All of this is just noise. The experiment has to be reproduced and measured by others. Then we will know.

People wrote 3 days ago that i will take a day for it to be reproduced. Where are the results?

It's in progress https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 There will be a live stream once the material is ready apparently.

Related Twitter space recording available https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880

(That's the only one I'm aware of. There may be more)

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Post by npsomaratna »

mdip wrote: post #13
3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". In national newspaper. But you have to also understand every discovery is met with skepticism, because 99.9999999% of them turn out BS. Ideally, humanity would cut it out with the idiotic hot takes (both rejecting and glorifying the paper... based on "hunches") and review the paper and try to reproduce. Unfortunately that's hard. While idiotic hot takes are easy. A…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I guess. I'm not at all surprised there's this much drama around this. It sounds like it's a matter of a little time and we'll know what's going on. > Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". Thankfully, along the way, we discovered that "Jew Science" is quite good. I imagine an alien civilization visiting the Earth at that time trying to make sense of…

If I remember correctly, Enrico Fermi’s wife was Jewish. This forced him to migrate to the U.S.

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Post by resolutebat »

notRobot wrote: post #18

I'm out of the loop, can someone please provide ELI5ed context for this?

Korean scientists announce room-temperature superconductor. Ridiculous amounts of squabbling over who invented it immediately ensue, even though the jury's still out on whether it even works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99

The part I don't understand is why they don't just FedEx a sample of the stuff to another lab, so they could replicate the results immediately.

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