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What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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It's interesting to note that Colin - who apparently explicitly asked for this feedback from a close friend who happens to be an eminent domain expert - appears to have taken basically none of Patrick's advice in a decade. I don't know the inside baseball, but if I was @patio11, I'd be more than annoyed by this. I might ratchet up to lightly insulted, given how master-of-the-obvious some of the advice is.

Advice is worth what you paid for it and even if you solicit advice you are not required to take it, especially if taking that advice implies you have to do stuff that runs counter to your nature and views. Patrick's advice is very good: for Patrick. But for Colin it was more of an exercise in how you could run Tarsnap, not how he should run Tarsnap. Meanwhile, Tarsnap is still in business many years later, has happy…

All fair points, and Patrick acknowledged this at the time - and in the previous HN thread back in 2014. I remember it was a good one.

The detail that really pets me backwards is the whole "if you're here, you already know what this is for and how to use it" vibe. It's not just Tarsnap; many aspects of the OSS world uphold this most unfortunate tradition. I believe with all of my heart that it is unnecessarily hostile and antisocial.

Many of the founders and teams I've mentored over the years have experienced me spending a large amount of time and effort explaining the importance of clearly stating why a thing exists and why you should use it; how it works and how it will not create additional unknown risks; what tools it is intended to replace... as the barest civil minimum.

This is just my opinion, but it's a hill I'd die on if necessary.

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it is still expensive today

Note that this blog post says it’s too cheap (see “ill-considered price decrease” and the post behind the link).

I pay ~6€ for 1TB of storage on Hetzner managed Nextcloud instance, that is 0,005859375€ per GB. Obviously, that is not a back up solution or a back up solution for the "PARANOID tm", but come on, 0.25$ per GB is a ripoff

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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Interesting timing... A few weeks ago I evaluated using tarsnap for my business and ended up going for borg + rsync.net, for some of the reasons pointed out in the post. It seemed like the more "professional" option (the website was clearer and the service didn't require me to top-up at irregular intervals). I guess I'm not the intended audience of tarsnap.

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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I've read this before, and I still think it is pretty remarkable for its clarity and the amount of useful, actionable judgement that it contains.

A question: The article is from 2014. So almost a decade has passed. How, if at all, would it be different if it was written today?

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this blog post says it’s too cheap (see “ill-considered price decrease” and the post behind the link).

I pay ~6€ for 1TB of storage on Hetzner managed Nextcloud instance, that is 0,005859375€ per GB. Obviously, that is not a back up solution or a back up solution for the "PARANOID tm", but come on, 0.25$ per GB is a ripoff

At that pricing, if you need to backup less than 25GB compressed data, Hetzner is more expensive than the "ripoff".

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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post #15
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay ~6€ for 1TB of storage on Hetzner managed Nextcloud instance, that is 0,005859375€ per GB. Obviously, that is not a back up solution or a back up solution for the "PARANOID tm", but come on, 0.25$ per GB is a ripoff

At that pricing, if you need to backup less than 25GB compressed data, Hetzner is more expensive than the "ripoff".

Good thinking there pal, but you are missing the point. If I wanted to store 25GB i could probably find a spot that'd do it for free (Mega, Google Drive etc)

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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I applaud Colin's (Tarsnap Founder) attitude. Sure it could be priced better. Sure it could make much, much more than it currently does. But I dislike the notion that every software company needs to optimize for the same things. Tarsnap is a service that I am sure makes comfortable amount of money for its founder and has remained faithful to its initial audience. Why does anything other than that matters? Yes, some t…

Except that’s not what being a fisherman is like at all

Re: What I would do if I ran Tarsnap (2014)

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> We’ll keep prosumer entry points around mainly because I think Colin will go nuclear if I suggest otherwise So that kind of thinking is why every second thing I’d like to hobby-use is priced as a free trial with one missing crucial feature, then $300/mo. It might be rational even, but I’d expect the actual utility does have a negative term for I’m going to hate your service with a fiery passion (and probably also y…

So go through life hating people who do this and being poor because you don’t.
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