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Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by Natsu »

beebmam wrote: post #10

> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are…

This article is weird. It goes on an on about things like QAnon, 9/11, etc. that are simply not connected to anything and exist only to flavor the article. It says this harms people... but provides one random quote and no real substantiation of that. And the 'harm' seems to be that... someone might get punished for breaking the law?

It's also not clear what they think the solution is here, ignore a child being prostituted online because they might not be a sex slave to a cartel? Sure, advertising under certain emojis or whatever may not be "statistically significant" according to some report in terms of whether someone is trafficked, but if there's a child prostitute, maybe it's not a bad thing if someone helps the police go make sure she's not literally a child sex slave?

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Post by Animats »

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings.

Quit worrying about sex workers and porno. It's those well-organized religious conspiracies with their claim to moral authority that are the real problem.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn...

[4] https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22-haredi-sex-offenders-ar...

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Post by rayiner »

Animats wrote: post #12

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying…

Any evidence for your implication that sexual abuse is more common in religious organizations than secular organizations that deal with children? There’s about 15,000 sexual abuse complaints every year in schools: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-rep.... Every year CPS agencies receive 4.4 million referrals for child mistreatment, about 10% of which relate to sexual abuse: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf. About 1 in 6 of the referrals overall are substantiated, suggesting 50,000+ child substantiated sexual abuse complaints annually.

For comparison the John Jay report found about 11,000 sexual abuse allegations against catholic priests over a 50+ year period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report. There are estimated to be about 12,500 victims in the Boy Scouts in total: https://abcnews.go.com/US/12000-boy-scout-members-victims-se....

That is not to say religious organizations should be off the hook for failing to deal with the pedophiles in their ranks. But estimates suggest 1-5% of the male population is pedophiles. The evidence suggests that abuse is actually a cross-cutting problem. It arises whenever you put adults in proximity to children. Why focus only on the religious organizations?

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Animats wrote: post #12

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying…

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Post by throwbadubadu »

anaisbetts wrote: post #4
scrum-treats wrote: post #2

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Who could've guessed that when we give law enforcement or the military leeway in violating civil rights in the name of a specific societal concern, they will take that power and start broadening its scope

As always, first promise promise only for the biggest crimes, terrorist et al.. then suddenly it used for someone consuming weed. And then we are all excited to see what happens when the next ruler with dictatorship ambitions comes into place.

All for the good, "I had a bad feeling when voting for it but it was against the bad guys, right?" blablahblah, "noone could have ever expected it", "why do people always assume it goes that way" - bah.

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by Hizonner »

beebmam wrote: post #10

> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are…

> Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth

... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking.

Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being used to refer to something that is NOT human trafficking as understood by normal people.

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Post by zer8k »

rayiner wrote: post #13
Animats wrote: post #12

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying…

Any evidence for your implication that sexual abuse is more common in religious organizations than secular organizations that deal with children? There’s about 15,000 sexual abuse complaints every year in schools: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-rep... . Every year CPS agencies receive 4.4 million referrals for child mistreatment, about 10% of which relate to sexual abuse: https://www.childwe…

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