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After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by pillefitz »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

pillefitz wrote: post #11
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.

Good luck taking on Adobe with 2 engineers.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by gizmo »

sam_goody wrote: post #8
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

Well, no. If everything is open source, $235K is good for perks and incentives - and to ensure that the project is alive and active. People will do a whole lot when the incentive is not the paycheck.

Gimp and Paint.net have probably benefited from a million hours of open source labor and yet their capabilities are nowhere near Adobe's products.

People underestimate how much work commercial software takes by many orders of magnitude. This kickstarter is maybe performance art but if they're serious there is no chance in hell they will actually produce software that is actually competitive with an Adobe suite product.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by hizanberg »

martin_a wrote: post #5

As someone who was trained extensively on Adobe products and is using them regularly, I can just recommend to give the Affinity tools a look. (They also got a summer sale running right now, so you can grab the whole suite for a $150 one time payment.) They work really well, some things are just the same as in the Creative Cloud, and I'am not missing anything so far. Sadly, the commercial world will mostly stick to Ad…

Yep long time happy Affinity perpetual universal license customer, who uses their products on Windows, macOS/M2 and iPad.

As a dev, Adobe’s premium tax is irrational.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by ohgodplsno »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

Irrelevant and based on very specific US salaries (actually, no, US tech hub salaries), along with absolutely no guarantee of having talented developers even at prices above. Otherwise, Google would be filled with talented developers, and we all know that's not true.

The creator of the kickstarter lives in the UK. Even assuming the absolute worst of London salaries, you can pay for two developers, full time. If you look at other places in the UK or Europe that aren't overinflated with capital-city-salaries, there are a shitload of talented developers that will cost you anywhere from 50 to 100k a year. Eastern Europe is filled with extremely talented people.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

pillefitz wrote: post #11
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.

Maybe, if you're surviving on Ramen. That said, I wouldn't want to go up against Adobe with a team of two Ramen-fueled developers in Bulgaria.

I don't doubt you can make a cell phone app for that money, but something that would compete with Adobe's incredibly polished and well-funded software suite... I'm thinking the odds aren't good at all.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by naillo »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #12
pillefitz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.

Good luck taking on Adobe with 2 engineers.

Adobe seems exeptionally unproductive with incredible product stagnation so this doesn't seem that infeasible to me.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by phpisthebest »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

This type of attitude is exactly why silicon valley is primed for failure The bloat and the expense of silicon valley is going to be their downfall.

plenty of regions in the US and other nations have many talented developers that are willing to work for far less and make a far better product than what you get for silicon valley wages

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by itronitron »

madarcho wrote: post #3

I imagine a branding change will be in order before actually delivering anything to users? While I could believe in the artist and their history of fighting off legal challenges, I am sceptical around the ability to (re)build even one of the mentioned tools for the budget. Adobe has an immense moat (hence its complete gall around subscription pricing) for a reason. Otherwise everyone would just be using GIMP.

>> I imagine a branding change will be in order before actually delivering anything to users?

I certainly hope not. I don't think companies should expect to be able to hijack a common word as their company name and then complain when another company uses a different word as its name.

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