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Don't Learn Value from Society

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Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#11
I had pizza with the author once.

This makes sense:

>Well-grounded values, which is to say values that actually serve and accelerate life rather than deplete it, come from only one source: hard engagement with reality, where you can form an experience-building feedback loop of trial, error, and vitality.

and this:

>Our most important low-hanging fruit is to recognize the problem: most of the values we learn from the institutions around us are fake and exploitative. They do not represent our real interests.

And this:

>In contrast to these false values, what we can do is recognize and orient ourselves more rigorously to Abraham’s hard natural values. Are you winning at a biological level? Are you getting more territory at a more sovereign level of control? Are you living rigorously in contact with natural law? Are you working on something that will achieve eternal fame? Are your enemies being cursed and your friends blessed? Does your winning at these things serve any great and higher plan of blessing for all creation and all peoples?

>These are not the root of all value. But absent some kind of reliable revelation as to the deeper wishes of the higher powers, as Abraham had when he almost sacrificed Isaac, anything that doesn’t credibly offer you help towards these values is not your friend.

That last part (a bit uncomfortably!) reminds me of the more cult-y parts of the startup ecosystem.

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#12
post #8

For those unaware: Palladium is a far-right magazine bankrolled by Peter Thiel. This is written by one of its two co-founders, the one who hasn’t yet been publicly outed as a white nationalist[1]. [1]: https://splinternews.com/leaked-emails-show-how-white-nation...

That explains a lot! The article was pretty insightful up until the point where it mentioned Abraham. Far right figures can be very incisive about some of the issues facing modern society, the problem is that their solution is very often to revert to traditional norms.

>the problem is that their solution is very often to revert to traditional norms.

Perhaps so, but TFA rejects that solution, stressing the importance of acquiring one's own values through experience. Traditional wisdom can be helpful in a "prior work" sense, but is no substitute for trying things and learning from them.

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#13

I'm skeptical of this style of writing. If I'd have the power/were a mod... I would remove it even if it doesn't break any rules. Allegedly, all of the author's friends are dead, and this is a widespread problem. This happenes everywhere, society is at fault. - What we hear is baseless (there are no links provided). It's pretty far from my experience as a human (however, I am not US based). The tone of the text is ve…

Thank you, I was composing a reply along these lines as well. The essay is pseudo-erudite, using a lot of words to convey an impression of depth but in actuality saying very little, and repeatedly. I will also add that the Biblical exegesis at the end is interesting only as a personal interpretation: ahistorical and effectively creating its own mythical version. The piece might be acceptable as a work of fiction but it's not philosophy.

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#14

For those unaware: Palladium is a far-right magazine bankrolled by Peter Thiel. This is written by one of its two co-founders, the one who hasn’t yet been publicly outed as a white nationalist[1]. [1]: https://splinternews.com/leaked-emails-show-how-white-nation...

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Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

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I'm skeptical of this style of writing. If I'd have the power/were a mod... I would remove it even if it doesn't break any rules. Allegedly, all of the author's friends are dead, and this is a widespread problem. This happenes everywhere, society is at fault. - What we hear is baseless (there are no links provided). It's pretty far from my experience as a human (however, I am not US based). The tone of the text is ve…

I'm skeptical about the discussion of Abraham. Appeal to Abraham is appeal to authority.

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#18

I had pizza with the author once. This makes sense: >Well-grounded values, which is to say values that actually serve and accelerate life rather than deplete it, come from only one source: hard engagement with reality, where you can form an experience-building feedback loop of trial, error, and vitality. and this: >Our most important low-hanging fruit is to recognize the problem: most of the values we learn from the…

> some kind of reliable revelation as to the deeper wishes of the higher powers, as Abraham had

So God talked to Abraham? God exists?

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#19
post #2

And this upper middle class is some sort of paragon of sobriety? Half of Americans are on psycho drugs. Look at Peterson, he is very intelligent and educated, yet in real life he was drug addict, who almost died from overdose.

Look at the anti-vax Kennedy guy. He is said to have been a drug-addict too right? And now he gets his satisfaction by getting people to believe the craziest conspiracy theories without any evidence.

I think there is something about hard drugs which actually damage a person's psyche, something like not growing up when you can always escape to drugs. And when you do it means you are not asking relevant questions about the life and society. You are asking the question where can I get more dope. You are not thinking about values that would help the society at large. And later if you can kick the habit your experience somehow convinces you that you know the truth and must redeem yourself by preaching it to others. You feel the need to redeem yourself. But problem is hard drugs seem to take away all empathy towards others which you then never learn.

Re: Don't Learn Value from Society

#20

I had pizza with the author once. This makes sense: >Well-grounded values, which is to say values that actually serve and accelerate life rather than deplete it, come from only one source: hard engagement with reality, where you can form an experience-building feedback loop of trial, error, and vitality. and this: >Our most important low-hanging fruit is to recognize the problem: most of the values we learn from the…

> some kind of reliable revelation as to the deeper wishes of the higher powers, as Abraham had So God talked to Abraham? God exists?

Yeah man
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