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How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by leoedin »

junon wrote: post #10

Ah yes, after giving the middle finger to the entire open source community after you bought Audacity - only after screwing over the original userbase of MuseScore. Tantacrul is a black mark on the FOSS community. Strong words, yes.

Can you elaborate more on this? Obviously they've "acquired" these open source projects - which probably leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many OSS purists - but they're also investing significant money into improving them. At the end of the day there'll be a much better open source app.

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by djaychela »

junon wrote: post #10

Ah yes, after giving the middle finger to the entire open source community after you bought Audacity - only after screwing over the original userbase of MuseScore. Tantacrul is a black mark on the FOSS community. Strong words, yes.

Can you put some flesh on those bones? I knew a bit about the audacity data collection problem, but not about the MuseScore userbase...

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by kzrdude »

MuseScore has been transformed in recent versions. Great strides in quality while simultaneously turning away from being community-owned, that's at least the feeling I get.

Musescore is now hard to install, distributions don't carry builds of it. It's now only distributed as snap, flatpak and appimage. It now integrates with commercial services, etc.

That's just a characterization of what it looks like from the linux front, the application is sliding over to behave like a commercial project.

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by Hamcha »

junon wrote: post #10

Ah yes, after giving the middle finger to the entire open source community after you bought Audacity - only after screwing over the original userbase of MuseScore. Tantacrul is a black mark on the FOSS community. Strong words, yes.

I'm not saying he's an angel but has Tantacrul ever said that FOSS was his focus?

He's a composer and UX designer with a prior job in Microsoft, the fact that the tools he gets to work now are open source seems happenstance more than a deliberate choice. He was critical of existing music notation software and now works on one. He probably enjoys that the open nature of Muse Group lets him be pretty transparent about what he gets done and that's about it.

He mentioned that YouTube and Patreon do not provide him with good enough income, so if he quit Muse he'd just go work somewhere else where he can't talk about his work.

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by notpushkin »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #7
tczMUFlmoNk wrote: post #3

I love this kind of behind-the-scenes, in-the-weeds video, and it's well done. Unfortunately, the incident with a Muse Group director openly blackmailing an open source developer [1] [2], threatening to have him deported to China while specifically calling out his public criticism of the CCP with a disgusting "who knows how he may be received"—well, to say that this incident leaves a bitter mark in my memory would be…

> threatening to have him deported to China while specifically calling out his public criticism of the CCP with a disgusting "who knows how he may be received" I think you're overstating it a bit. How about you tell the whole story?

I think the fact that Daniel backpedaled and said his blackmail comment wasn't meant as blackmail doesn't really change anything.

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by wizofaus »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #7
tczMUFlmoNk wrote: post #3

I love this kind of behind-the-scenes, in-the-weeds video, and it's well done. Unfortunately, the incident with a Muse Group director openly blackmailing an open source developer [1] [2], threatening to have him deported to China while specifically calling out his public criticism of the CCP with a disgusting "who knows how he may be received"—well, to say that this incident leaves a bitter mark in my memory would be…

> threatening to have him deported to China while specifically calling out his public criticism of the CCP with a disgusting "who knows how he may be received" I think you're overstating it a bit. How about you tell the whole story?

I'm not sure what to believe, but the curious thing is even years later the repository in question doesn't seem to have been taken down.

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by thecatspaw »

jansan wrote: post #5

The videos are awesome. Is there a Youtube channel that does similar great reviews of graphic software ui/ux?

Tantacrul's channel is exactly that, for music software. Thats how he got the job at musescore actually. He made a video critiquing the software, and the devs probably went "hey, that dude is right, how about we hire him?"

Re: How We Made MuseScore 4 [video]

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Post by nunuvit »

notpushkin wrote: post #16
Gordonjcp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> threatening to have him deported to China while specifically calling out his public criticism of the CCP with a disgusting "who knows how he may be received" I think you're overstating it a bit. How about you tell the whole story?

I think the fact that Daniel backpedaled and said his blackmail comment wasn't meant as blackmail doesn't really change anything.

It's not blackmail in the first place. There were no secrets to reveal since everything was published online, and it's legal to sue and report a possible crime. Speculating about the consequences doesn't make it blackmail.
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