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17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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I wonder how much of that office space is viable for converting into residential housing, both physically-speaking and zoning-wise.

Yeah, yeah, office buildings are often built completely different from housing and need to be vastly retooled, but it is possible, and Boston is attempting it. When it comes to SF it feels like the regulatory issues are more difficult.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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post #4

If the owners would substantially cut the rent the empty office space would rapidly fill up.

With who?

All the people forced to live in small SF housing, plenty of functioning companies in SF Bay Area outside of Tech also need more working space.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

#13

I wonder how this compares to other cities globally

According to the chart in this article from April SF had the highest available office space of US major cities but no by a large margin. https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/04/24/office-...

22.9% of SF office space was available. Houston 22.2%, Dallas 20.9%, Chicago 19.6% and DC 19.2%.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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I wonder how much of that office space is viable for converting into residential housing, both physically-speaking and zoning-wise. Yeah, yeah, office buildings are often built completely different from housing and need to be vastly retooled, but it is possible, and Boston is attempting it. When it comes to SF it feels like the regulatory issues are more difficult.

Almost none is going to be easy to transform, primarily because of the need to gut plumbing entirely -- offices don't support the shower/bath/kitchen needs of dozens of residential condos.

Compartmentalization will be a lot easier though since most offices are built to be fairly modular/open plan.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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At the moment some of even the salesforce tower space is being sublet and used by weworks. At the moment it's really a great time to take advantage of some of the wework setups if you want to be in SF. The rates haven't changed much, yet the general space and quality of amenities to me seems not far off from some of the posh setups of Heroku or GitHub (maybe not quite that level but not far off).

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

#16

If the owners would substantially cut the rent the empty office space would rapidly fill up.

Owners are not able to cut rent as most commercial financing have covenants which require a minimum lease rate/sq foot. If they cut rent, they could be in technical default and lose the building.

Commercial financing has onerous terms which should be stricken by the government/courts.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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If the owners would substantially cut the rent the empty office space would rapidly fill up.

Owners are not able to cut rent as most commercial financing have covenants which require a minimum lease rate/sq foot. If they cut rent, they could be in technical default and lose the building. Commercial financing has onerous terms which should be stricken by the government/courts.

They're going to lose the buildings eventually when the loans need to be refinanced at much higher interest rates while commanding much lower rents.

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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post #8

I wonder how this compares to other cities globally

I don't know about outside of America but according to comparable reports from the firm Cushman & Wakefield, Austin boasts 15.7 million square feet vacant, a rate of 25%. The same firm has SF marked at 27% vacant. I have never been sure if HN is invested in commenting on SF real estate because they disproportionately live here, or because they live elsewhere and get a warped news feed that has an interest in portrayi…

Vast undercount -- probably for every city. Commercial financing has convenants which require minimum occupancy, landlords are heavily incentivized to keep tenants on the books even if they're not actually using the space.

Know personally of startups in SF which have been discouraged from cutting their lease and paying a penalty so that the landlord can keep occupancy #s high. Of course, there are sweeteners involved to keep them "occupying" the space when in reality they moved out >6 months ago. They'll be in the space for years to come...

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

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I wonder how much of that office space is viable for converting into residential housing, both physically-speaking and zoning-wise. Yeah, yeah, office buildings are often built completely different from housing and need to be vastly retooled, but it is possible, and Boston is attempting it. When it comes to SF it feels like the regulatory issues are more difficult.

Boston is implementing massive tax breaks and partnerships with developers to make it happen. https://www.bostonplans.org/news-calendar/news-updates/2023/...

Re: 17.1 Salesforce Towers worth of empty office space spread across SF

#20
I would love to have my own habitable storage unit in downtown SF. 200sqf, air vents, no windows, shared bathroom with shower.

It would be great as a base while traveling. I could visit between changing flights, and swap some of my gear. Occasionally I would sleep there.

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