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From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I moved from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE tumbleweed recently and I must say it is lovely. The OS is still the Linux I learned when running slackware (with some modern extras that I have learned to live with) while still giving me most of the polish of Ubuntu. Some things were of course strange. Having to type the disk encryption password twice being standard behaviour is pretty strange, and not getting to set the keyboard lay…

I switched to OpenSUSE after an year with Fedora and ~14 years on Ubuntu. The installer had me scratching my head. After my first attempt I too ended up having to enter the decryption key twice. The installer definitely could do with polish. Ubuntu's installer still remains the gold standard in terms of ease of use.

After reinstallation with the correct configuration though, it was smooth sailing. The only other change I had to make was disabling KWallet so that it connects to WiFi without prompting me for a decryption key.

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I moved from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE tumbleweed recently and I must say it is lovely. The OS is still the Linux I learned when running slackware (with some modern extras that I have learned to live with) while still giving me most of the polish of Ubuntu. Some things were of course strange. Having to type the disk encryption password twice being standard behaviour is pretty strange, and not getting to set the keyboard lay…

I switched to OpenSUSE after an year with Fedora and ~14 years on Ubuntu. The installer had me scratching my head. After my first attempt I too ended up having to enter the decryption key twice. The installer definitely could do with polish. Ubuntu's installer still remains the gold standard in terms of ease of use. After reinstallation with the correct configuration though, it was smooth sailing. The only other chan…

It’s a complete mystery to me why they didn’t implement allowing the keyboard to state its layout when they transitioned to USB.

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I moved from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE tumbleweed recently and I must say it is lovely. The OS is still the Linux I learned when running slackware (with some modern extras that I have learned to live with) while still giving me most of the polish of Ubuntu. Some things were of course strange. Having to type the disk encryption password twice being standard behaviour is pretty strange, and not getting to set the keyboard lay…

I switched to OpenSUSE after an year with Fedora and ~14 years on Ubuntu. The installer had me scratching my head. After my first attempt I too ended up having to enter the decryption key twice. The installer definitely could do with polish. Ubuntu's installer still remains the gold standard in terms of ease of use. After reinstallation with the correct configuration though, it was smooth sailing. The only other chan…

Personally I find Fedora's installer to be less intuitive than OpenSUSE. OpenSUSE is wizard style, while Fedora is just a page with all the options where click on the stuff you care about changing, some of which has sensible defaults and some of which is mandatory to visit. It's probably a lot more efficient once you're used to it, but it felt unintuitive the first time I used it.

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I switched to OpenSUSE after an year with Fedora and ~14 years on Ubuntu. The installer had me scratching my head. After my first attempt I too ended up having to enter the decryption key twice. The installer definitely could do with polish. Ubuntu's installer still remains the gold standard in terms of ease of use. After reinstallation with the correct configuration though, it was smooth sailing. The only other chan…

Personally I find Fedora's installer to be less intuitive than OpenSUSE. OpenSUSE is wizard style, while Fedora is just a page with all the options where click on the stuff you care about changing, some of which has sensible defaults and some of which is mandatory to visit. It's probably a lot more efficient once you're used to it, but it felt unintuitive the first time I used it.

I don't remember the details but I don't think I had any trouble with Fedora's installer. But I spent way to much time trying to figure out how to modify the guided partition scheme that OpenSUSE picked.

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I moved from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE tumbleweed recently and I must say it is lovely. The OS is still the Linux I learned when running slackware (with some modern extras that I have learned to live with) while still giving me most of the polish of Ubuntu. Some things were of course strange. Having to type the disk encryption password twice being standard behaviour is pretty strange, and not getting to set the keyboard lay…

I believe that the disk encryption twice thing is to prevent the so called "evil maid" attack. Where both the boot partition, and the file system are separately encrypted. Frustratingly, the encryption in GRUB2 is painfully slow, so I normally disable that. You can do this by creating the boot partition separately from the root file system, and only encryption the OS filesystem. The downside is that if someone steals your drive, or clones it, they can hammer away at the encrypted filesystem. Not really in my threat model, so I normally go with unencrypted boot + encrypted filesystem. The kernel decryption is much faster as well.

Details here in case I have some of that wrong: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Encrypted_root_file_system#Avoid...

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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We have been using openSuSE Leap on our servers for at least 12 years and are quite happy with it. Compared to CentOS, Ubuntu LTS and Debian it has a yearly release cycle and 18 month support window. https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime Upgrades between minor versions are quite easy to do and imply minimal risk. Since 15.3 if ones uses btrfs and something goes wrong the upgrade can also be rolled back. It has both yast (…

Leap desktop has both GNOME and KDE. I personally use KDE but my colleagues use GNOME. So far, no real issues.

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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Arch Linux is your friend. You will find all the packages in AUR and answers you seek in documentation or with extremely active community. Not as ‘deep’ as gentoo and not as script kiddy as tumbleweed. I use Leap for servers and installed gentoo to learn things initially. Love all the distributions named here!

> not as script kiddy as tumbleweed The AUR is a literal definition of a script kiddie given its a repo of shell scripts to install things and not an actual package repo.

They exist as collection of scripts to install precompiled (or to be compiled) packages, maintained by 3rd party developers as means of convenience, they’re not to be blindly installed as system packages (which I agree is what often people would do) It offers certain autonomy to users on top of stable system to build/preinstall packages when they deem it necessary. It’s always advised to check what’s happening with AUR scripts & updates, in archwiki with well noted warnings.

These things don’t sit well with script kiddie style of doing things!

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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I moved from Ubuntu to OpenSUSE tumbleweed recently and I must say it is lovely. The OS is still the Linux I learned when running slackware (with some modern extras that I have learned to live with) while still giving me most of the polish of Ubuntu. Some things were of course strange. Having to type the disk encryption password twice being standard behaviour is pretty strange, and not getting to set the keyboard lay…

I believe that the disk encryption twice thing is to prevent the so called "evil maid" attack. Where both the boot partition, and the file system are separately encrypted. Frustratingly, the encryption in GRUB2 is painfully slow, so I normally disable that. You can do this by creating the boot partition separately from the root file system, and only encryption the OS filesystem. The downside is that if someone steals…

I did install OpenSUSE and immediately removed it after I encountered the same problem.

It's not normal to have to enter the exact same password twice. I don't care if it's about the "evil maid" attack or whatever.

Linux developers would have us open our fridges by first flipping them upside down and explain with a straight face it's perfectly normal and is meant to address .

Re: From CentOS to OpenSUSE Leap: How to Feel at Home

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that the disk encryption twice thing is to prevent the so called "evil maid" attack. Where both the boot partition, and the file system are separately encrypted. Frustratingly, the encryption in GRUB2 is painfully slow, so I normally disable that. You can do this by creating the boot partition separately from the root file system, and only encryption the OS filesystem. The downside is that if someone steals…

I did install OpenSUSE and immediately removed it after I encountered the same problem . It's not normal to have to enter the exact same password twice. I don't care if it's about the "evil maid" attack or whatever. Linux developers would have us open our fridges by first flipping them upside down and explain with a straight face it's perfectly normal and is meant to address .

>I did install OpenSUSE and immediately removed it after I encountered the same problem.

If you uninstalled it immediately because you don't like the defaults, I suspect Linux might be an operating system you wish to avoid entirely.

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