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The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by msla »

maze-le wrote: post #8
xg15 wrote: post #6

Vouched for this because I don't see any reason why this was flagged. Sorry if I overlooked something.

I guess some people are uncomfortable with the issues raised in the article. Alternative explanation: some users are trigger-happy and flag an article based on the headline before they have a chance to read it. ~Its un-flagged by now~, and I vouched too BTW... Its a good article and a balanced discussion about feminism would be very nice to have here...

The author questions whether men are "entitled" to their own bodies.

Saying people's preferences are "Problematic" is a way to pressure them into sex: "You're a horrible person if you don't have sex with me!"

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by maze-le »

joenot443 wrote: post #10
xg15 wrote: post #6

Vouched for this because I don't see any reason why this was flagged. Sorry if I overlooked something.

[flagged]

True, but I really don't think the article in question is that divisive or out of touch with reality. Its a simple book review, with a balanced approach to the subject

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by foogazi »

andai wrote: post #2

>She thinks that like therapy, hat the teaching process can be charged with eroticism, and the professors should channel that impulse towards learning. Man, I've been taking the wrong courses!

I read this differently

As in the therapy example: attraction might develop between the student & teacher. Instead of participating, the teacher should recognize/be aware that this exist but channel it back toward learning

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by cuttysnark »

msla wrote: post #7

> In college, I was with a group of white men and the topic of dating came up. One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman. To my shock, the rest of the group agreed with him. We say that nobody is entitled to a relationship with someone else, but I was still disgusted. Are they entitled to have this preference, when it comes to something as personal as dating and sex? What the Hell is this? Of course they'r…

> You are not entitled to sex with anyone, but people can have preferences that are problematic.

I read the whole article, but at this sentence I reached for Cmd+W, which was done via muscle memory as my eyes were rolled so far back into my head.

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by msla »

cuttysnark wrote: post #14
msla wrote: post #7

> In college, I was with a group of white men and the topic of dating came up. One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman. To my shock, the rest of the group agreed with him. We say that nobody is entitled to a relationship with someone else, but I was still disgusted. Are they entitled to have this preference, when it comes to something as personal as dating and sex? What the Hell is this? Of course they'r…

> You are not entitled to sex with anyone, but people can have preferences that are problematic . I read the whole article, but at this sentence I reached for Cmd+W, which was done via muscle memory as my eyes were rolled so far back into my head.

Yeah, she doesn't explicitly condone rape, but you're a Very Horrible Person if she can't pressure you into sex.

Also, yes, dating effectively means sex and trying to defend a rapist by splitting hairs makes you horrible.

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by foogazi »

msla wrote: post #7

> In college, I was with a group of white men and the topic of dating came up. One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman. To my shock, the rest of the group agreed with him. We say that nobody is entitled to a relationship with someone else, but I was still disgusted. Are they entitled to have this preference, when it comes to something as personal as dating and sex? What the Hell is this? Of course they'r…

> What the Hell is this? Of course they're "entitled" to their own bodies.

The author didn’t mention bodies, but minds. The author wrotes the men said they would not even “date” a black woman

The men presumably are attracted to women, but said they would not date a woman of black skin

> One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman.

> Are they entitled to have this preference

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by maze-le »

msla wrote: post #11
maze-le wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess some people are uncomfortable with the issues raised in the article. Alternative explanation: some users are trigger-happy and flag an article based on the headline before they have a chance to read it. ~Its un-flagged by now~, and I vouched too BTW... Its a good article and a balanced discussion about feminism would be very nice to have here...

The author questions whether men are "entitled" to their own bodies. Saying people's preferences are "Problematic" is a way to pressure them into sex: "You're a horrible person if you don't have sex with me!"

Yes and if you'd continued to read the article, you would have noticed that this situation is used as an example about the problematic aspects of sexuality in our society -- its a segue to an argument, not the argument itself.

> You are not entitled to sex with anyone, but people can have preferences that are problematic

You rather took this one line out of context and interpreted in the worst possible way.

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by msla »

foogazi wrote: post #17
msla wrote: post #7

> In college, I was with a group of white men and the topic of dating came up. One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman. To my shock, the rest of the group agreed with him. We say that nobody is entitled to a relationship with someone else, but I was still disgusted. Are they entitled to have this preference, when it comes to something as personal as dating and sex? What the Hell is this? Of course they'r…

> What the Hell is this? Of course they're "entitled" to their own bodies. The author didn’t mention bodies, but minds. The author wrotes the men said they would not even “date” a black woman The men presumably are attracted to women, but said they would not date a woman of black skin > One of them mentioned he wouldn’t date a black woman. > Are they entitled to have this preference

You're trying to defend someone who wants to use the language of social justice to pressure others into sex.

Pressuring someone into sex is disgusting, and horrible, and it doesn't matter who's doing it or why.

Re: The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century

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Post by tehwebguy »

msla wrote: post #11
maze-le wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess some people are uncomfortable with the issues raised in the article. Alternative explanation: some users are trigger-happy and flag an article based on the headline before they have a chance to read it. ~Its un-flagged by now~, and I vouched too BTW... Its a good article and a balanced discussion about feminism would be very nice to have here...

The author questions whether men are "entitled" to their own bodies. Saying people's preferences are "Problematic" is a way to pressure them into sex: "You're a horrible person if you don't have sex with me!"

No but it’s possible the others that flagged it had the same misunderstanding
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