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Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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I don't understand why "only" and "and nothing more" are present in that sentence. You don't think strategic projection of power is important?

Sometimes you have to let countries duke it out themselves and settle their scores by themselves. I also think post Cold War, we're spending way too much money protecting others at US taxpayer expense. Let those countries defend themselves. Why do we have to be the world police and take all the blowback?

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Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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I don't understand why "only" and "and nothing more" are present in that sentence. You don't think strategic projection of power is important?

What about those islanders though? "Power projection" is important. But it's sad that its at the expense of human beings who live and work there.

This could be (and has been) said about literally any "first peoples" anywhere. Does something about them being "islanders" change things for you?

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why "only" and "and nothing more" are present in that sentence. You don't think strategic projection of power is important?

Sometimes you have to let countries duke it out themselves and settle their scores by themselves. I also think post Cold War, we're spending way too much money protecting others at US taxpayer expense. Let those countries defend themselves. Why do we have to be the world police and take all the blowback?

An implicit deal we have made with many other states is that in exchange for managing the peace, they will not develop or further develop nuclear capability.

To me, that is worth a lot.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you have to let countries duke it out themselves and settle their scores by themselves. I also think post Cold War, we're spending way too much money protecting others at US taxpayer expense. Let those countries defend themselves. Why do we have to be the world police and take all the blowback?

Because we benefit disproportionately from world peace, uninterrupted shipping, and the world economy using the U.S. dollar as its reserve currency.

The dollar became the world currency by accident after the OPEC started pricing petroleum in dollars. We're starting to see a slow departure from that.

If we did not spend those extra tens of billions per year in projecting power, we could better serve our students, workers, retirees, infrastructure, etc. Instead, they go to ensuring Japan, Korea, Philippines, etc. don't have to spend so much on defense.

As China ascends to No. 1, will they take over the spending? (I'd be happy of they were the ones keeping shipping lanes for their own exports open and not us)

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why "only" and "and nothing more" are present in that sentence. You don't think strategic projection of power is important?

What about those islanders though? "Power projection" is important. But it's sad that its at the expense of human beings who live and work there.

I know someone who grew up near a US base in the Philippines. Her father was employed as a cook at the base. When the base was closed, they went back to eeking out a living through subsistence farming.

There are some positive economic impacts for the locals.

Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about those islanders though? "Power projection" is important. But it's sad that its at the expense of human beings who live and work there.

I know someone who grew up near a US base in the Philippines. Her father was employed as a cook at the base. When the base was closed, they went back to eeking out a living through subsistence farming. There are some positive economic impacts for the locals.

Then there is Okinawa and like a thorn, despite all their rejection, we remain unwelcome squatters.
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