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iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

What’s strange is that people still make this ridiculous comparison. Unless they’re severely out of touch with how the general populace think and what they value.

Let’s talk phones, and just ignore the brand to start. Higher end devices often have better cameras, better support, better build quality. I’m sure you’ll find some random phone that competes with a flagship, but that’s irrelevant to the vast majority of users.

Now start introducing brands to the mix. Each brand has value adds like platform specific apps and ecosystem integration. Samsung and Apple have a big ecosystem of products that they work with that other brands don’t. Even if the other brands work with them, many people prefer to stick with the single brand for support reasons. You’ll likely suggest alternative apps and products. Users don’t want that, they want a product that does what they need without being technically competent.

Your problem is you’re looking at spec sheets and seeing equivalence in the things that matter to you. The things that matter to most people aren’t on the spec sheet. A spec sheet does not convey experience.

By your same argument, why do people buy nicer cars? A fiat 500 is most of what I get with a ford f150 and a Lamborghini Aventador.

Why do they buy nicer clothes? Fast fashion from H&M is the same from a utility perspective as a nice tailored suit from Armani.

If your arguments start with random value segments and don’t take into account experience, nothing will ever make sense. The experience of a $200 Android phone is not the experience of a $1000 Android phone, let alone a $1000 iPhone. The experience of a $10k car is not the experience of a $80k or $400k car. The experience of a $20 shirt is not the same as the experience of a $180 shirt.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

IMO even a modest improvement in a device that I use for several hours per day, every single day, is worth quite a lot of money.

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Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

There is a huge difference between a $200 Android phone vs a $1000 iPhone, and why people choose the latter is easy to see. The line gets much blurrier after $500. I have a Samsung "flagship" that is near three years old but is still rocking. Performance is still good. It won't receive new OS upgrades but will continue to receive security updates for another year, when I'll be looking for a new phone. (Latest Samsung phones have a longer support timeframe.)

I see people say an iPhone lasts many years but you need to get a new Android phone every 1-2 years. That hasn't been true for quite a while for middle- and high end phones. And I don't see myself paying more for an iPhone when I barely get any benefits.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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post #13

strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

There is a huge difference between a $200 Android phone vs a $1000 iPhone, and why people choose the latter is easy to see. The line gets much blurrier after $500. I have a Samsung "flagship" that is near three years old but is still rocking. Performance is still good. It won't receive new OS upgrades but will continue to receive security updates for another year, when I'll be looking for a new phone. (Latest Samsung…

You hit the nail on the head with OS upgrades and longevity. Android consistently found a way to stop offering me OS updates. Whether it was the manufacturer, or the phone carrier, I would by a flagship phone and within 2 years stop receiving OS updates.

Meanwhile, I switched to Apple and skip 2-4 generations at a time and hand down my phones to my kids, who still receive updates. It was only the end of last year that we phased the last iPhone 6 out of our family, a phone released September of 2015. A phone Apple replaced the battery in for $35 halfway through its lifetime.

I’ll never own an Android phone as long as the carriers have any control over OS updates or baked in applications.

Oh, and let’s not forget while phone backups automatically to the cloud. Every new phone I’ve purchased has continued on right where the last one left off. Settings and customizations I setup in 2015 are still working to this day on a phone that’s only a year old.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

Status/bragging. Same reason people who rent or live in a tiny house in CA drive BMWs.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

I usually keep my iPhones for about 3 years and use them heavily. That's less than $0.75 per day difference in cost, and if the improved experience (which I get every day for the 3 years) translates directly to cost (admittedly a little silly), 5% of $200 is $10, so that seems worth it.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

It’s not the cost for me, as I was previously using Pixels which weren’t tremendously far off in price.

I’ve had a Mac since 2014, after years of complaining about them. Then the M1 came out, and I became a zealot, because my base-spec Air trounces my fully-spec’d i9 MBP that my work gave me.

But the real trick that keeps people in is the ecosystem. I switched to an iPhone a couple of months ago. Other than some iOS complaints, the handoff and interplay between devices is incredible. Answer a phone call on the Mac? Sure. Copy a URL on the Mac, and then paste it on the iPhone? Yep, no problem. Apple solves small, annoying problems, and does so without friction. Things just work.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

#18

strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

> is that 5% really worth an extra $800+.

Yes, yes it is. Some people value their time and energy really highly.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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post #11

strange to me that people spend $1000+ on a phone when you can get another one that does 95% the same for $200-300. is that 5% really worth an extra $800+... the only big difference is if you care about resale value. trying to sell a used android/windows vs a used apple product is definitely an eye-opening experience.

What’s strange is that people still make this ridiculous comparison. Unless they’re severely out of touch with how the general populace think and what they value. Let’s talk phones, and just ignore the brand to start. Higher end devices often have better cameras, better support, better build quality. I’m sure you’ll find some random phone that competes with a flagship, but that’s irrelevant to the vast majority of us…

Not the OP, but presumably this is a diminishing returns argument? Clearly a Lambo is nicer than a Fiat, but most people can't or won't pay 10X more for it. The spread between, say, the iPhone 14 Pro at $999 and the Pixel 6a at $299 is a lot smaller, so the possibility that the 'returns' are still worth it to you doesn't seem so unbelievable to me, but I do see the point that the 6a is plenty good at the basics, and so spending 3X more is unnecessary. Of course as the article points out, most people aren't choosing at random, they're invested in one ecosystem or the other to a degree, and it may just be too painful to pull up those roots.

Re: iQuit: My Hellish Attempt to Leave Apple’s Walled Garden

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This is a very poorly written article

> Only a little frustrated that iMessage didn’t allow for modern chatting on non-Apple PCs and phones.

RCS is trash and stupid idea on the face of it. It's all essentially wholly Google-controlled which means they will give up on in 1-2 years when some exec comes up with a way to climb the corporate ladder. They will implement a new app/protocol/platform with 70% or less of the features of RCS and be billed as the "new hotness" before it also gets thrown into the graveyard.

> Only a little miffed that I couldn’t choose Google Maps as my default navigator or set up an Amazon Echo as easily as Apple’s own HomePod speaker.

I've setup many Echo speakers from my iPhone, it's always a simple process, I have not clue what they are talking about here.

> But these things began to add up, as did the $120 I was spending every year to store my photos on iCloud.

Apple's 2TB plan = $9.99/mo, Google 2TB play = $9.99/mo, neither are required.

> When I emailed Google to request interviews with executives about the switching process, a spokesperson accidentally copied me on a note to his team in which he mocked the very idea that an Android-and-friends model could work as well as iOS. “It’s like doing a car comparison but trying to compare a Honda to a car you build from parts you got at Pep Boys,” he wrote.

So clearly the Google execs don't care about making this easy (as also seen later in the article when the transfer tools have issues) but the writer lays all the blame at Apple's feet repeatedly through this.

Then the author goes into a completely non-sequitur about the market value, Vision Pro, and Epic (which Google also battled with over the same thing). Literally adds nothing to the article at all.

> moving files from iOS to Android turned out to be shockingly complicated and expensive

From what I can tell the "expensive" part is never explained in this article, it's just throw in... because?

> jumping from a Dell or Compaq to a Macintosh, and vice versa, was relatively easy

Rose colored glasses much? Windows Windows was easy enough (though many normal people failed at that) but Windows Mac (both directions) has never been particularly simple/easy. In a lot of ways it's easier now with everything being web-based.

> A Google sales adviser promised that migrating from my iPhone would be as “easy as you copy paste from your computer.” This, surprise, turned out not to be true.

Wait, a sales person lied to you? Stop the presses, we must tell the masses about this new development immediately. Spare me.

> When it finally completed, only a smattering of photos appeared along with random texts from 2011 to 2013, which soon abruptly disappeared.

I honestly wouldn't have expected there to be any way to transfer old messages at all. The fact that the ones that came over disappeared later is very clearly an Android problem. It's not like Apple reached out to your Android phone and deleted them later. A common theme in this badly written article is to blame Apple for everything and refuse to take any person responsibility or lay any at Android/Google's feet. Cool.

> My 171 iCloud contacts auto-merged in a mess with every Gmail address archived in my account going back to 2005, including nine ancient versions of myself.

Again, what did you expect. You already had contacts in Google's ecosystem, is it on Apple to find a way to merge those all intelligently? That process is actually a lot more difficult that people might think and the consequences of screwing up can be bad, better to have dupes than overwrite/lose data.

> A Google support agent couldn’t figure out the problem and referred me to Apple customer service through a 1-800 number.

Google's transfer app didn't work so it's up to Apple to figure out? Ok....

> The next day, an AppleCare technician called and, to the company’s credit, spent 52 minutes suggesting more detailed fixes. But he also said he couldn’t evaluate Google’s recommended transfer steps for possible issues, because Apple blocked Android’s website internally.

I have a very hard time believing this. It literally makes no sense. Is Steve Ballmer moonlighting as a manager at the call center?

> I also realized I would have to manually transfer my saved passwords, two-factor authentication codes and Signal and WhatsApp messages.

I fail to see how 3rd party apps are Apple's fault?

> I was excited to try Xbox cloud gaming (which isn’t available in Apple’s App Store) on my phone

I do this at least once a month on my Mac and/or my iPhone, it works perfectly fine in the webapp even with a controller. The issue is latency to their servers, something I don't think a native app would actually fix. I actually do think Apple should relent on this front some but also the experience is just not great. You aren't going to be playing FPS or any fast paced game here, the lag is just too bad.

> The XPS touchpad didn’t feel as smooth as Apple’s.

Those pesky Apple execs! Sneaking into the XPS factory and screwing with their trackpads. Seriously? Why is this mentioned? If anything it's clear that the hardware they switched to is subpar and there was good reason to stay on Apple's hardware in the first place but they manage to write it as if it's somehow Apple's fault (like the whole article).

> While my iPhone-using friends joked (I think?) that I was dead to them, my family was annoyed that it was tougher to share videos with my Pixel. For whatever reason, some of my texts failed to send. Much of this poor usability seemed to be more Apple’s fault than Google’s, because Apple has resisted adopting a communication protocol that could improve sharing between iOS and Android

Again, let's just blame Apple. See above, RCS is shit and no one else in the world cares about RCS or iMessage even. Either use a 3rd party chat app or stop complaining.

> The impasse was particularly frustrating because I was still a paying iCloud subscriber whose iMessages were stuck on Apple’s servers.

I don't see what this has to do with the price of eggs in China. If I leave a subscription active with another platform why would I expect that to affect my experience on a different platform? Hey I'm still paying for Hulu but Netflix is doing something I don't like! Can you believe that? Even while I'm still paying for Hulu? See how silly that sounds?

> I, for one, failed. Neither I nor the experts I consulted could figure out how to get my photos, texts and other data out of iCloud and convert them to files that could live seamlessly on my Pixel or Dell.

We are throwing that word, "experts", around pretty loosely here aren't we? I don't think I'd classify anyone they talked to through this whole process as an expert.

> So I returned the Android and PC and instead bought a new iPhone and MacBook Air. Although these devices are as refined and powerful as they’ve always been, Apple didn’t have to make the best products to regain my business. I just wanted my life back.

Bullshit. You tried other products and they weren't as good, this is a pretty big retcon in my opinion. We didn't hear hardly anything that was better about the XPS or the Pixel other than faster picture taking on the Pixel and how sleek the XPS was with it's keyboard (but remember the trackpad was shit, and somehow Apple's fault?).

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