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Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by piaste »

gigatexal wrote: post #6
mariuolo wrote: post #2

Clever idea. They will gradually lure users their way.

Lol no. This is a wholly disingeneous move. "[SuSe] ... announced it is forking publicly available Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and will develop and maintain a RHEL-compatible distribution available to all without restrictions." How will they confirm that their fork is compatible? Probably using RedHat supplied UBI docker/container images. So they're just becoming another add-no-value clone. Wow, give whoever came…

Well, nobody's stopping IBM from retaliating by offering a SUSE clone :)

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by znpy »

silisili wrote: post #4

I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…

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Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by 0dayz »

This is very positive news, I wonder though how far will compatible mean? My biggest problem with opensuse is the lack of cockpit support and integration that RHEL has.

Also that they use apparmor instead of selinux as default, I wish that selinux would become the standard MAC, with really good tools (cli and gui alike) for handling selinux policies.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

#15

Post by gigatexal »

piaste wrote: post #11
gigatexal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol no. This is a wholly disingeneous move. "[SuSe] ... announced it is forking publicly available Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and will develop and maintain a RHEL-compatible distribution available to all without restrictions." How will they confirm that their fork is compatible? Probably using RedHat supplied UBI docker/container images. So they're just becoming another add-no-value clone. Wow, give whoever came…

Well, nobody's stopping IBM from retaliating by offering a SUSE clone :)

Funny but how does that help the community or businesses adopt Linux really?

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by vetinari »

pcw888 wrote: post #8
silisili wrote: post #4

I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…

It's just been the corporate default for so long that people learn it for their jobs and get comfortable with it

It is a standardized, known quantity.

Just like McDonald's: it isn't the best meal you can get, whether in quality, nutrition or taste. But you will know what you are getting, even when you appear on the other side of the planet. You would be better off with a meal in a some local restaurant, but that one is unknown to you.

So corporate will get something they know for their people. Most of them have zero interest in exploring better options, just want their job done today and go home.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by mst »

nubinetwork wrote: post #14

I knew suse used rpm packages, but I always thought they were their own... good to know they are putting in the work to distance themselves from the IBM mess.

They are, their distro is their own - this is them announcing a RHEL fork as well as their in-house distro.

You'll find SUSE Linux Enterprise in quite a few places in Europe but their penetration in the US has always been kinda pants, so providing a compatible alternative to RHEL will hopefully be a net win for them commercialy as well as a net win for the community.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by b112 »

silisili wrote: post #4

I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…

The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra

Just because Redhat handles this poorly (like pretty much everything), does not make the model bad.

For example, almost every single security update on Debian, is backported when not handled by upstream. And there is a lot of that.

You lose so much stability, if you track all-new. In fact, you literally spend more time chasing underlying bugs, instead your bugs, and dealing with api changes, if your stack is bleeding edge.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Post by imiric »

silisili wrote: post #4

I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…

Red Hat offers corporate support contracts, while other distros have community or consultant support at best. This is attractive to executive managers in corporations, as they can be seen as investing into a mature technology, and the systems are contractually guaranteed to keep running by a 3rd party, so shifting blame is easy.
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