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Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

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Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

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> You know what I haven’t seen? not once in 15 years? > A company going under. What a wild assertion: The OP hasn’t personally seen a company fail, and therefore software quality doesn’t matter? Bugs and slow delivery are fine? It’s trivially easy to find counterexamples of companies failing because their software products were inferior to newcomers who delivered good results, fast development, and more stable experi…

“My company didn’t go under” is pretty much the lowest bar you can shoot for.

This blog post is saying “Staying healthy doesn’t matter because neither I nor anyone I know died so far.”

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#12
I've seen bad software and slow delivery lose companies important clients, causing job losses and severe financial problems.

I've also seen companies go out of business because they tried to make perfect software and never actually delivered it to anyone.

The right approach, I think, is to do the minimum necessary and do it very well. Easier said than done though.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#13
This blog post is a response to an advertisement for coaching services. The article it responds to was so content-free and sales-focused that it actually got flagged here on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36615325

I don’t think anyone needs to waste their time arguing with a strawman.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#14

> You know what I haven’t seen? not once in 15 years? > A company going under. What a wild assertion: The OP hasn’t personally seen a company fail, and therefore software quality doesn’t matter? Bugs and slow delivery are fine? It’s trivially easy to find counterexamples of companies failing because their software products were inferior to newcomers who delivered good results, fast development, and more stable experi…

Agree.

For example, pg said that ViaWeb was successful because they had put care into their code, which allowed them to iterate quickly and integrate new features that customers requested. Whereas competitors were held back by their cumbersome code and slow cadence of releasing features.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

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You'd be surprised how many businesses are run by completely incompetent people and still manage to survive.

A relative of mine who was an accountant for a small manufacturing plant and the systematic problems from top to bottom were shocking. They worked there for well over a decade and also managed a lot of other business aspects. Nothing got shipped, billed, ordered, or paid without them knowing. The company always had just enough income to keep going. Somehow, it was sustainable without any hidden external sources of money.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#17
It really, really depends on the use-case. You certainly don't want bugs in your MMU, process scheduler, sensors, security libraries, etc.

But a piece of line-of-business software that sends out the wrong email once because someone made a bug in a batch script? Sure. Not the end of the world.

Users will tolerate some level of errors. Even if that level is sometimes expected to be 0.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#18
The problem is that anyone with a semblance of professional pride will find it mentally quite difficult to knowingly ship bad software.

Like, sure, even if we make best efforts to catch both obvious and less obvious bugs, all software we ship will still be full of bugs. But knowingly shipping software full of obvious bugs... it feels unprofessional. And makes you really feel the weight of all the inevitable bug reports that come in.

The alternative often becomes to warn about it, have the organization respond (whether explicitly or otherwise) "we don't care", and then, to preserve your sanity, say to yourself "well, then all bets are off, and I'm not responsible" which also isn't healthy, because it leaves you jaded, disengaged and robs you of your sense of professionalism.

I don't have a solution here lol other than find an org that cares about quality to an acceptable degree.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

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Original title of this HN post was:

"Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”: The blog post that I’ve hated the most, ever"

But if you scroll down to the end of the post:

> So thank you, Valentina, for your thought-provoking post. I loved to hate it.

So the author does not actually hate the post they say in the title they hated.

Re: Responding to “Are bugs and slow delivery ok?”

#20
Ultimately it all comes down to business case. If there isn't one to invest in CI, developer time to build a test suite with 100% coverage, and then ongoing upkeep of that, then it's not going to happen.

We are too often religious about these things, and may not have visibility within the business to see why there isn't a case for it.

Having said that it can also be very hard to convince management of the business case. That may have had a bad experience of these tool and practices before and see them as a waste. Thay may also, in that specific case, be right.

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