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Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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This is an excellent article on a writer that more people need to know about.

Just know that if you support Delany you're supporting the sexual abuse of children.

  “I read the NAMBLA [Bulletin] fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I’ve ever found. I think before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about. What the issues they are really talking about, and deal with what’s really there rather than this demonized notion of guys running about trying to screw little boys. I would have been so much happier as an adolescent if NAMBLA had been around when I was 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.” — Samuel R. Delany, June 25, 1994.
There's certainly more to be found, and it gets considerably worse. He's not the only one in that era's sci fi author peer group either. Moira Greyland's account of her childhood with Marion Zimmer Bradley, her mother, is harrowing.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. By far the most influential writer in my life.

What would you recommend as a first read?

"Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones." Short story, bootleg scan available online; I have no qualms telling people to start with that since they'll want to buy the rest of the collection soon enough. It's my favorite of his stories in a lot of ways. The characters are fun, every word (or at least every sentence) is essential to building the world, it has a very strong sense of place that's so common in his work.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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This is an excellent article on a writer that more people need to know about.

Just know that if you support Delany you're supporting the sexual abuse of children. “I read the NAMBLA [Bulletin] fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I’ve ever found. I think before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about. What the issues they are really talking about, and deal with what’s really there rather th…

Equating someone that recommends some magazine, that then publishes a story about sex, to child sex abuse, is a bit of a stretch. Since you browsed HN, which had a link to an interview, with someone that read an article once about sex, does that make you a child sex abuser?

A lot of sci-fi authors have 'weird sex' stories. Not only was it the sixties, they are sci-fi authors in the sixties, writing about alien sex and all kinds of out of the box thinking.

I could just as easily say, don't vote Republican, they have a large percentage of sex abusers in office. Or, don't be Catholic.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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This is an excellent article on a writer that more people need to know about.

Just know that if you support Delany you're supporting the sexual abuse of children. “I read the NAMBLA [Bulletin] fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I’ve ever found. I think before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about. What the issues they are really talking about, and deal with what’s really there rather th…

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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This is an excellent article on a writer that more people need to know about.

Just know that if you support Delany you're supporting the sexual abuse of children. “I read the NAMBLA [Bulletin] fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I’ve ever found. I think before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about. What the issues they are really talking about, and deal with what’s really there rather th…

I had never heard of NAMBLA before. The wikipedia page is fascinating:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_As...

Allen Ginsberg was a member as well.

Reading this article, it makes me recall all the pop songs from the 80s which had lyrics like "...she's only seventeen!" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_(Winger_song)). I don't think Winger was a member of NAMBLA.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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My ten year old son loves sci-fi. And, it sounds like many of Delany's stories deal with adult-ish subject matter (of a sexual nature). I know he has a complicated history as a gay man in America, and I'm interested in knowing if there are good stories for young adults? My son can handle complicated things, but as his dad I want to be cautious as well.

Re: Samuel R. Delany Reimagined Sci-Fi, Sex, and the City

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I've only read Dhalgren, which I have extremely mixed feelings on.

The hazy liminal atmosphere and writing was impressive and moving. The people were generally shallow or neutral, but the main character was very difficult to appreciate and was borderline repulsive (not the sex, but the person and sometimes the vivid descriptions of his putrescence).

I was interrupted about 50 pages from the end (of like 800 total), and never bothered to finish it.

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Any recommendations on another book from Delany?

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I've only read Dhalgren, which I have extremely mixed feelings on. The hazy liminal atmosphere and writing was impressive and moving. The people were generally shallow or neutral, but the main character was very difficult to appreciate and was borderline repulsive (not the sex, but the person and sometimes the vivid descriptions of his putrescence). I was interrupted about 50 pages from the end (of like 800 total), a…

"Triton" (but this has another somewhat repulsive protagonist) and "Stars in my pocket like grains of sand"
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