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I think the internet is moving towards assuming everyone is a bad actor by default and you’ll need to verify your identity with government issued ID to prove you’re a good actor. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we end up needing accounts verified via government ID to participate online in a meaningful way.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
Parental controls are trivial to bypass. I don’t support a government database either, but suggesting digital parental controls is not a valid solution.
You can't shoot down proposed solutions on the basis that they aren't perfect unless you actually have a perfect alternative.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
My proposal is for the government itself to do blind age verification on their own site and issue an expiring token scoped to the user's IP. The porn site would load JS from the gov site or from its own servers that pops up age verification prompt loaded from the government site, gets the signed token to be verified by the porn site.
What the government does to verify age is up to them but my approach would be to verify that they have a valid payment card or a mobile phone number (verified by sms code) where the screenshot of their ID matches whoever is an adult part of the phone subscription plan. Ideally, verification is done once and all you do is login.
I said blind verification because you can have it so that the gov site doesn't know from what site the verification is requested. This can also be applied for social media and other restrictions.
You all can disagree ideologically but this happening. I think it's best to discuss how to do this in a way that respects the privacy of users without allowing middle parties to abuse it.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
I'm firmly in the "porn and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race" camp.
We require actual age verification for tobacco and alcohol. I don't see a reason not to require the same for porn.
That said, I am interested in the most effective ways to keep tobacco, alcohol, and porn out of the hands of minors.
My understanding is that the whole point of federally structured statehood is for each state to do unpopular things like this and people move to where they want. The one thing that should change is for the federal government to stop supporting states unfairly. The federal tax revenue and population of a state should be the deciding factor on how much money and infrastructure support states get. For example, internet access itself should be state subsidized not federal. the federal government by law should force states to support its policies like this if it means subsidies and investments like rural interner access. The price for being left alone while they ban books an random things for their politics should be having to pull their weight. For conservative states like missisipi and arkansas that are dirt poor, they should look to texas and florida who are capable of pulling their weight while coming up with crazy laws. The only serious matter of contention is immigration which I won't touch with a 10-ft pole now.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Parental controls are trivial to bypass. I don’t support a government database either, but suggesting digital parental controls is not a valid solution.
This block is also trivial to bypass. You can't shoot down proposed solutions on the basis that they aren't perfect unless you actually have a perfect alternative.
Until these blocks cannot be overcome by typing "free VPN" in to Google, they will remain toothless.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
> A header is trivial to add, trivial to verify is active and the legal liability is then shifted to the parent as it is for everything else related to their child.
No, you just said the web site is responsible for publishing the header, which means they have legal liability.
Does HackerNews have "user-generated content"? Does it have to publish the same header as Pornhub?
And as you later write:
"In terms of bypassing, teens will bypass it but they can just visit sites that a database would never be enforced on in the first place."
Exactly. That's also from the article:
"In its Twitter statement, Pornhub alleged that a major problem with these laws is that states "are not regulating enforcement." This means that major platforms like Pornhub will likely comply with the laws voluntarily—or else risk fines of up to $1 million annually, the FSC estimated—while users seeking to avoid age verification will simply migrate over to seedier platforms that don't require ID and often pose security and privacy risks to users."
IOW, it wouldn't work and would just be a way to go after mainstream websites that ran afoul of a politician.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
Getting browsers to implement it as a matter of legal requirement is another huge issue. My proposal is for the government itself to do blind age verification on their own site and issue an expiring token scoped to the user's IP. The porn site would load JS from the gov site or from its own servers that pops up age verification prompt loaded from the government site, gets the signed token to be verified by the porn s…
If we removed the legal mandate, we could do this with voluntary industry support. MindGeek owns not just PornHub but tons of other sites -- if they said "We'll publish this header; dear Mozilla and Google, please support/ build parental controls that check for this header," then most other mainstream porn sites would join in too.
People shouldn't have to tell the government they're going to read a (dirty) book, and they shouldn't have to identify themselves to porn businesses.
Think of the children while the tech and legal systems for verified identities are beta tested. I think the internet is moving towards assuming everyone is a bad actor by default and you’ll need to verify your identity with government issued ID to prove you’re a good actor. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we end up needing accounts verified via government ID to participate online in a meaningful way.
I hope that law makers, PH and perhaps the EFF help people see that a government database is not the appropriate means to deal with under-age access to adult or user-generated content. As mentioned previously [1][2] the right way to do this is to legislate that these sites add the RTA header to any domain/url that may have adult or user-generated content and then recognize this header in the most common web clients s…
Wow this is really interesting suggestion. I'm firmly in the "porn and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race" camp. We require actual age verification for tobacco and alcohol. I don't see a reason not to require the same for porn. That said, I am interested in the most effective ways to keep tobacco, alcohol, and porn out of the hands of minors.