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San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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With these driverless cabs, will a person still be behind the wheel ? Or is no one there. If not, what happens if an accident occurs and the cab keeps on driving due to a software bug ?

In the extremely unlikely event this happens and the AV doesn’t pull over the footage is saved for a time so the other driver/pedestrian/etc can simply contact the company/police for insurance claims.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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post #2

With these driverless cabs, will a person still be behind the wheel ? Or is no one there. If not, what happens if an accident occurs and the cab keeps on driving due to a software bug ?

There are multiple failsafes to prevent a “keeps on driving from a software bug”.

There are overseers who are remotely monitoring vehicle telemetry. If there is an accident, the company will know before anyone else and will respond accordingly.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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I think this is just complacency and a bias towards how things are; imagine a world in which biking is safe, pedestrians are safe, and huge amounts of the city don't have to be devoted to parking. That's what 24/7 driverless cars can enable.

In this world, we'll still have giant hunks of steel zooming around our cities, creating noise, taking up space and wasting energy to move themselves around (the payload to weight ratio of cars is abysmal).

We need to get rid of cars altogether, with exceptions for emergency services etc.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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It's entirely possible that this tech isn't yet ready for an expansion, but this article does a shit job of demonstrating that. The alternative is not perfect drivers. The alternative is real human drivers who make all kinds of mistakes every day. I completely believe that these incidents are real, but without comparison to the actual alternative, it's useless information.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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post #5

I think this is just complacency and a bias towards how things are; imagine a world in which biking is safe, pedestrians are safe, and huge amounts of the city don't have to be devoted to parking. That's what 24/7 driverless cars can enable.

Unless you take all human driven cars off the road, you’re not going to get nearly the efficiency and safety you describe.

I, for one, don’t want to live in a world where my ability to go anywhere is decided by Google and Uber.

Big Tech has way, way too much power already. Please don’t give them any more of it.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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Individual motorized transport is a dead end, especially in cities, no matter if it has a driver or not. It's just inherently energy- and space efficient to haul around a two ton piece of junk per 80kg person. Cities don't have the space, the planet doesn't have the energy to support it. We need to ban cars from cities in the longer term, both human- and AI-driven. For now, we need to take steps to get there. Reduce…

I am with you on personal automobiles which take up enormous amounts of space on our streets per rider, even when every seat is filled. That doesn't mean individualized urban motor transport is a dead end: there are still E-bikes.

Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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Individual motorized transport is a dead end, especially in cities, no matter if it has a driver or not. It's just inherently energy- and space efficient to haul around a two ton piece of junk per 80kg person. Cities don't have the space, the planet doesn't have the energy to support it. We need to ban cars from cities in the longer term, both human- and AI-driven. For now, we need to take steps to get there. Reduce…

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Re: San Francisco may soon get 24/7 driverless cabs. City leaders are fuming

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post #5

I think this is just complacency and a bias towards how things are; imagine a world in which biking is safe, pedestrians are safe, and huge amounts of the city don't have to be devoted to parking. That's what 24/7 driverless cars can enable.

In this world, we'll still have giant hunks of steel zooming around our cities, creating noise, taking up space and wasting energy to move themselves around (the payload to weight ratio of cars is abysmal). We need to get rid of cars altogether, with exceptions for emergency services etc.

What do you suggest people do when the weather isn’t quite as nice?

Where I live, it gets so brutally hot and humid in the summer that people literally collapse and die if they do anything much outdoors.

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