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Re: Google Sidewiki

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Didn't Firefox do something similar for a while?

In effect it's not that much different from Reddit, being a link aggregator where people can comment on the links. The main difference would be that it works on any website and it doesn't have to be posted to reddit to spark a thread.

I've read people's comments on here but I still think this is a great idea. As long as it's properly executed, meaning there should be no centralized ownership and control.

And yes I know that's a catch 22 because there would be no moderation, but let's put that technical detail aside for a moment and focus on the fact that this would allow users to help other users with any website. Whether that be criticism, warnings, or praise, depends on the website!

Re: Google Sidewiki

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I remember this, I always found the concept fascinating. But looking back, looking at what the web has become, there was no chance this could have ever worked. At best, it being centralized, it would have become essentially a Google controled social-media-ish space where all the "inconvenient" comments would be removed anyway. Probably Google would even disable the comments on some pages, like disabling sidewiki comm…

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Re: Google Sidewiki

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I desperately want some annotation service/standard to succeed. The idea goes as at least far back as 1993! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_annotation) Discussion is too important to be subject to the editorial whims to the host of the content it is discussing. I'd love to take the insight of the Hacker News community (for example) everywhere I go on the web.

Re: Google Sidewiki

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Didn't Firefox do something similar for a while? In effect it's not that much different from Reddit, being a link aggregator where people can comment on the links. The main difference would be that it works on any website and it doesn't have to be posted to reddit to spark a thread. I've read people's comments on here but I still think this is a great idea. As long as it's properly executed, meaning there should be n…

It's more of a challenge than centralized moderation, but spam and other junk comments could be managed through personalized reputation/trust systems, or subscription/collaborative filtering systems.

Re: Google Sidewiki

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Didn't Firefox do something similar for a while? In effect it's not that much different from Reddit, being a link aggregator where people can comment on the links. The main difference would be that it works on any website and it doesn't have to be posted to reddit to spark a thread. I've read people's comments on here but I still think this is a great idea. As long as it's properly executed, meaning there should be n…

Maybe a federated wiki? (Since the 'verse is cool right now)

Bad actors would probably ruin it :(

Re: Google Sidewiki

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This sounds great. Although, we basically have the same thing when people share links and people comment on them. Classic Google though. Gosh Google was the chosen one, how far they have fallen.

> Although, we basically have the same thing when people share links and people comment on them.

True, but having the comments appear naturally in context makes all the difference. Imagine seeing comments/corrections on a New York Times article that aren't moderated by the paper, or comments on a real estate listing that list all the problems that the listing omits, or reviews of a show on Netflix, etc.

Re: Google Sidewiki

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post #6

I remember this, I always found the concept fascinating. But looking back, looking at what the web has become, there was no chance this could have ever worked. At best, it being centralized, it would have become essentially a Google controled social-media-ish space where all the "inconvenient" comments would be removed anyway. Probably Google would even disable the comments on some pages, like disabling sidewiki comm…

Just raising this since people might not know about it, but this is a Web standard now https://www.w3.org/annotation/ . There are a couple of companies which have created browser plugins for this.

That is super interesting, but looking at the diagram[1] my first gripe is with the nature of their decentralization.

It's not a bad idea, it's a good first step, but they're proposing that any group or private person can host an annotation service.

This will cause first of all competition, because which service has the most annotations? Using my annotation service hosted on my minecraft server might be useless because it only has my own annotations.

So obviously users will want to use a larger service, and here comes all the standard issues of a user-driven internet, trust, donations, groups forming and such. Also you might end up in a bubble, seeing annotations only from one particular side of the political spectrum.

Of course this model does not have the same issues as the fediverse where annotation services can de-federate from each other, the user is free to pick and choose whichever they want. There might even be a helpful counter in the UI that shows how many annotations a particular service has for this website.

The only real solution to all this is some sort of global database, like IPFS perhaps, where we can store the annotations. And then we can all individually host gateway servers to this database that the end user connects through.

But that has its own problems of course, you can't just magically make a distributed database without heavy bandwidth consumption and its own hosting requirements.

1. https://www.w3.org/annotation/diagrams/annotation-architectu...

Re: Google Sidewiki

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Didn't Firefox do something similar for a while? In effect it's not that much different from Reddit, being a link aggregator where people can comment on the links. The main difference would be that it works on any website and it doesn't have to be posted to reddit to spark a thread. I've read people's comments on here but I still think this is a great idea. As long as it's properly executed, meaning there should be n…

I was thinking of doing something like this few days back. I planned out everything like writing a sidebar extension for Chrome & Firefox. The whole time I was wondering why anyone else did not think of this.

Then I realize this will not work on Mobile and almost gave up on idea immediately.

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