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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

#11
> A benefit of atproto users is that they are transferable without needing an active server

This is not exactly true, it just means the server that holds ur data (traditionally instance or home server) doesn't need to be involved in the transfer process. However, this has centralized identity resolution, which is not a good long term solution.

> For example, someone was able to get the AWS S3 domain as their handle!

This is easily hotfixable by requiring more stringent proof of ownership of the domain (like DNS records), rather than a problem with the protocol itself. But it's a valid concern

> But runs into the problem of algorithms being hijacked to show inappropriate/offensive/bigoted content.

I thought the whole point was that if you didn't like the algorithm you could swap it out for something simpler. This point puzzles me greatly

> that could’ve just been extensions to the ActivityPub protocol rather than a whole new protocol!

Not really. If you peel back the interface they're very different, since the transferability of accounts across servers is something baked deeply into how ActivityPub works and cannot be easily changed without rewriting the protocol. That being said, I personally hope there is some network that can solve the problem of untying resources from domains, since it is one of the big problems with any federated protocol

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#12
Isn't RSS better than all other federation protocols?

You have four properties of feeds: category, tree-comment, real-time and persistent.

Reddit was the winner on all those except real-time.

Decentralization is now the most important feature, and taking responsibility of your own data is the best version of that.

The only missing part is decentralized RSS servers and clients. Think backup for your posts and RSS reader services that also backup your favorite feeds.

All you need for that is a distributed db underlying it all like this: http://root.rupy.se and a reader web tool.

The only feature we lack is a category (think hashtag) for RSS.

So a combination of all services below:

http://fuse.rupy.se

http://sprout.rupy.se

http://tentacle.rupy.se

http://talk.binarytask.com

Add mail and video hosting/streaming and you got the complete deal.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#14
> But also it’s a group of overly complicated specifications that could’ve just been extensions to the ActivityPub protocol rather than a whole new protocol!

So do those extensions exist (even in the form of plans), especially the ones that free you up from a server or is it just wishful thinking?

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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post #12

Isn't RSS better than all other federation protocols? You have four properties of feeds: category, tree-comment, real-time and persistent. Reddit was the winner on all those except real-time. Decentralization is now the most important feature, and taking responsibility of your own data is the best version of that. The only missing part is decentralized RSS servers and clients. Think backup for your posts and RSS read…

How do you like and reply within RSS?

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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post #15
post #12

Isn't RSS better than all other federation protocols? You have four properties of feeds: category, tree-comment, real-time and persistent. Reddit was the winner on all those except real-time. Decentralization is now the most important feature, and taking responsibility of your own data is the best version of that. The only missing part is decentralized RSS servers and clients. Think backup for your posts and RSS read…

How do you like and reply within RSS?

There’s some folks using web mentions to implement those.

https://ruk.ca/content/using-freshrss-blog-posts-webmention

https://mikevdv.dev/blog/2022-07-05-web-mentions

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#18
post #9

I'm not sure what to make of this actual submission; > A problem with the system of having a domain as a username is that people can claim it who don’t have access to that username. That was a bug, and is not generally speaking, the case. You must have the ability to alter the DNS records for the domain you wish to claim. > However, that means interactions, such as user likes, blocks, follows, etc are all public. Wit…

I’m curious how ATProto codifies these algorithms? Is it just left to the clients to implement on the firehouse?

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#19
post #8

With the current Twitter debacle, I think self-hosting my "notes about interesting things" (aka tweets) in a way it is accessible via the web, activitypub, bluesky and RSS might be the best way. Is anybody already doing this? It shouldn't too be hard. Just throw all the notes into a directory and add some code which replies to the different types of requests. I guess the best way to get ones tweets out of Twitter is…

These tools exist at least between activity pub and RSS. I suspect similar will exist for bluesky if it takes off. https://github.com/dariusk/rss-to-activitypub

Re: A Look at Bluesky

#20
post #9

I'm not sure what to make of this actual submission; > A problem with the system of having a domain as a username is that people can claim it who don’t have access to that username. That was a bug, and is not generally speaking, the case. You must have the ability to alter the DNS records for the domain you wish to claim. > However, that means interactions, such as user likes, blocks, follows, etc are all public. Wit…

I’m curious how ATProto codifies these algorithms? Is it just left to the clients to implement on the firehouse?

https://atproto.com/guides/overview#algorithmic-choice
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