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What if California's dams fail?

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Daniel Swain, who is quoted in the article, is a fantastic follow if you live in CA - he tweets at @weather_west and is a phenomenal resource for understanding what’s actually driving the weather patterns in California.

Daniel Swain is a major climate alarmist. Read with a grain of salt.

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Daniel Swain, who is quoted in the article, is a fantastic follow if you live in CA - he tweets at @weather_west and is a phenomenal resource for understanding what’s actually driving the weather patterns in California.

Daniel Swain is a major climate alarmist. Read with a grain of salt.

Incorrect. He’s a climate realist.

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Was hoping to hear more about other dams, the article focuses on Oroville. Lake Berryessa for instance is a concrete dam, much more like hoover than Oroville. It was built before they realized there was a nearby active fault, the Green Valley Fault.

Lake Oroville (in the NYT article) is the 14th largest lake in California, Berryessa is #11. Lake Oroville does hold twice as much water when full though

The big concern is that Winters was flattened by an earthquake in 1892 and the same size quake at a fault near lake Berryessa, which is only 7 miles from the winters, would breach the dam. I've heard it discussed several times in geology circles, there's even a simulation of the result. It goes poorly for winters (7,000 people or so) and Davis (65,000 people). Here's the simulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJEHnKrueo

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Daniel Swain, who is quoted in the article, is a fantastic follow if you live in CA - he tweets at @weather_west and is a phenomenal resource for understanding what’s actually driving the weather patterns in California.

Daniel Swain is a major climate alarmist. Read with a grain of salt.

I'm sure you have the relevant qualifications in associated fields of study to make the claim that Daniel Swain, Ph.D, is somehow not a credible source of information on this subject?

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I recently read "Cadillac Desert" by Marc Reisner which I highly recommend if you're interested in the history of water issues in the west and California in particular.

A great portion of the book is devoted to dams. The gist of it is that many dams of questionable utility were constructed throughout the 20th century due to pork barrel politics and the unstoppable bureaucratic engines of the Bureau of Reclamation and the Army Corp of Engineers. Like much infrastructure built in the US, not much concern was given to ongoing maintenance and so the book predicts that this will be a larger concern as time goes on.

Hopefully close calls like Oroville will bring more attention to this issue before a larger disaster happens.

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I recently read "Cadillac Desert" by Marc Reisner which I highly recommend if you're interested in the history of water issues in the west and California in particular. A great portion of the book is devoted to dams. The gist of it is that many dams of questionable utility were constructed throughout the 20th century due to pork barrel politics and the unstoppable bureaucratic engines of the Bureau of Reclamation and…

The spillway reconstruction was expensive and time-consuming, but at least it didn't fail that time. The issue was a lack of investment in remediation repairs and improvements, and a lack of planning for extreme event flows.

In the long term, California is unprepared and fucked in terms of dwindling water supply and damaging storms and forest fires from climate change. That's why I left.

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Funny thing no one talks about. Maybe theory. Probably not.

The Sacramento river, if flooded by say the dam failure of Oroville, could reach Stockton. If that happens the city would be a foot or two underwater.

Little does anyone know there are contingency plans to literally blow the levees along the river and flood the nearby (mostly) farming land.

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