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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by bushbaba »

frakt0x90 wrote: post #7
replwoacause wrote: post #6

A tangential question...but does anyone know what software is used to generate legal documents that look like the PDF linked in the article? I’ve played with LaTeX templates a bit, but I seriously doubt law firms are futzing around with LaTeX for documents as complex as this. They must have some software that produces this formatting.

In my sample size of one, an attorney I talked to said that Microsoft Word was the most important software he and his colleagues used. So my guess is they're just really good with Word.

Yep that pdf can be made using ms word

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by lionkor »

zug_zug wrote: post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

Like operating motor vehicles, carrying guns in some US states, sueing people and companies, submitting content to wikipedia, writing children's books, and writing and voting on laws?

Surely, there is some pretty large subset of things where "if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software" does not hold up?

So how about the default is "not allowed"

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by cheschire »

hospitalJail wrote: post #2

When this happened to Stable Diffusion, it was easy for me to consider it a necessary evil to progress humanity. When this happens to closedAI, it just seems like a profit grab. Not that it changes the legality of it. Just optics. Wonder if that matters in court.

First they came for the graphics artists, but I did not speak out because I was not a graphics artist.

Then they came for the writers, but I did not speak out because I was not a writer.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me... well, except ChatGPT.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by data-ottawa »

zug_zug wrote: post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement.

If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by replwoacause »

frakt0x90 wrote: post #7
replwoacause wrote: post #6

A tangential question...but does anyone know what software is used to generate legal documents that look like the PDF linked in the article? I’ve played with LaTeX templates a bit, but I seriously doubt law firms are futzing around with LaTeX for documents as complex as this. They must have some software that produces this formatting.

In my sample size of one, an attorney I talked to said that Microsoft Word was the most important software he and his colleagues used. So my guess is they're just really good with Word.

Thanks! That surprises me but maybe it shouldn’t. I figured it was some purpose-built software for attorneys.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by codetrotter »

zug_zug wrote: post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

FTA:

> The lawsuit is seeking class-action certification and damages of $3 billion – though that figure is presumably a placeholder. Any actual damages would be determined if the plaintiffs prevail, based on the findings of the court.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by codekansas »

zug_zug wrote: post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

> including personal information obtained without consent

Obtained from (check notes) public internet forums

> For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model.

You've got to be incredibly naive if you think public Reddit data isn't used to train ML models, not least by Reddit themselves

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by ttul »

WA wrote: post #8

Interesting, for once this doesn't have anything to do with the GDPR. It's by 16 (US) individuals, filing the complaint in SF.

It had to happen eventually. There is so much money to go after. This is a case of lawyers creating their own income stream.
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