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Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation:

David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight.

Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in our nation. He was read in to over 2000 special access programs, and he gave Biden the presidential daily briefing for the NGA on a daily basis. He's given 11 hours of testimony under oath to the congressional intelligence committees; giving program names, locations, and people working on those "rogue" programs.

These allegations are incredibly serious. There are only two outcomes from here: either he is lying and this is some big government psy-op, or he is telling the truth. Either way, congress should investigate and get to the bottom of this.

Marco Rubio amplifying Grusch's allegations by confirming that other whistleblowers who have first hand knowledge of the programs have also testified to the fact.

Here is the article that broke the story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re...

Here is the interview he did with Ross Coulthart: https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/we-are-not-alone-the...

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by imgabe »

Jolter wrote: post #5

If he heard it from someone who saw the UFO, doesn’t that mean the account was second-hand for him? First-hand would be reserved for the person who saw the UFO, wouldn’t it? (Maybe that’s why they put quotes around that term, or maybe I’m wrong, I’m just not familiar with how he’s using the turn of phrase.

The account was firsthand when Rubio heard it. We are hearing it secondhand from Rubio.

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Post by jrflowers »

andrewstuart wrote: post #8

There's no aliens anywhere near earth. There really aren't. Given the staggering, likely impossible task of traveling between the stars, it's essentially impossible that they'd turn up on a planet with this many people and be so in tune with our technology and media that they manage to stay out of sight entirely, except for some government secret Area 53 base or whatever. If you think that traveling between the stars…

That’s precisely what an alien would post

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Post by filoleg »

Jolter wrote: post #5

If he heard it from someone who saw the UFO, doesn’t that mean the account was second-hand for him? First-hand would be reserved for the person who saw the UFO, wouldn’t it? (Maybe that’s why they put quotes around that term, or maybe I’m wrong, I’m just not familiar with how he’s using the turn of phrase.

Yeah, I hate imprecise wording like this too, but I think the title is technically correct.

The title says that Rubio heard [someone else's] first-hand account of the situation. That would make it a second-hand account for Rubio, yeah. But it is still correct to say that Rubio was told by someone their first-hand account.

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Post by wccrawford »

Jolter wrote: post #5

If he heard it from someone who saw the UFO, doesn’t that mean the account was second-hand for him? First-hand would be reserved for the person who saw the UFO, wouldn’t it? (Maybe that’s why they put quotes around that term, or maybe I’m wrong, I’m just not familiar with how he’s using the turn of phrase.

Him telling us about it is second-hand. The original teller of the account was first-hand.

I suspect they were trying to spin it to make him look like a fool, but they should probably stick to things he's actually being a fool about.

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Post by Macha »

Jolter wrote: post #5

If he heard it from someone who saw the UFO, doesn’t that mean the account was second-hand for him? First-hand would be reserved for the person who saw the UFO, wouldn’t it? (Maybe that’s why they put quotes around that term, or maybe I’m wrong, I’m just not familiar with how he’s using the turn of phrase.

It's first hand when Rubio's contact told him, second hand when Rubio told the media. Rubio received a first hand account of what his contact believed they saw, and spread it as a second hand account of what someone told him they saw.

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Post by threeseed »

I really think we need to distinguish between UFOs and Aliens.

UFOs you would expect to be increasingly commonplace as drone and similar technology improves allowing hobbyists as well as domestic and foreign governments to test new form factors.

Aliens however is a different story as surely the conspiracy needed to cover something like that up over decades would be impossible.

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Post by chomp »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #6

Isn't the whole point of UFO's that they are unidentified? Don't they stop being UFO's the minute we find out what they are?

A UFO could be a drone, or small aircraft. There have been a lot of UFO encounters by our armed forces, including those with novel capabilities, and capabilities we do not understand. It is beyond unlikely that any of these are alien to Earth.

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Post by AlexandrB »

schappim wrote: post #7

It appears that something is happening. It could be a disclosure or a psychological operation (PSYOP) to divert people's attention away from something.

Or just mass hysteria like the satanic panic[1]. Politicians are not immune.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

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