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On Sociopaths and Progress

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Re: On Sociopaths and Progress

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If we required all human innovation to be completely safe, fire would still be in the early alpha stage.

There is absolutely a balance between safety and progress. Progress depends on the ability of the first version to be imperfect. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so many technologies both cost lives AND save lives in greater proportion.

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This article seems to assume that this is an isolated incident or that the CEO and other CEOs in question are somehow not responsible for the murder of their consumers. This wasn't somehow being risky trying to find a solution to cold fusion or how to grow food the size of a car to solve world hunger...they wanted to skim money from the wealthy to go see a monument to the folly and decadence of wealth. This is as tru…

> This article seems to assume that this is an isolated incident or that the CEO and other CEOs in question are somehow not responsible for the murder of their consumers.

I think you completely misread the article, which actually suggests that this is commonplace: "we should perhaps give pause to consider that in America, we seem entirely comfortable with sociopaths (or those with such tendencies, at least) driving progress at the expense of human life, and even continue to financially support them."

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post #11

If we required all human innovation to be completely safe, fire would still be in the early alpha stage. There is absolutely a balance between safety and progress. Progress depends on the ability of the first version to be imperfect. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so many technologies both cost lives AND save lives in greater proportion.

I have a sub to sell you.

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post #5

The argument that musk is a sociopath because his cars have had 17 fatalities on autopilot, despite that being less than human drivers, is ridiculous. That proves the exact opposite point - that musk cares about human life. Garbage article.

17 fatalities don't indicate that musk is a sociopath, but they certainly don't prove that musk cares about human life. They provide no useful information one way or the other.

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In the skeptical community, they typically put people like Rush on a spectrum (it's almost never a simple binary) between grifter and true believer. Perhaps the reason that so much ink has been used to study Elizabeth Holmes is that she's almost impossible to figure out within that spectrum.

But Rush seems to lean heavily towards true believer. If he wanted to scam people, he could have found much more remunerative ways to do it, and he certainly wouldn't have piloted the sub himself.

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The capital class's criteria for investment as well as the self-selecting nature of risk creates an environment where sociopaths will be highly over-represented in certain arenas.

No sane person would want to be Elon Musk. Some of you here might think you would like to be him, and you might for an afternoon or a day, but not a lifetime.

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post #2

The jump from criticising OceanGate to Americans loving when sociopaths run companies, doesn't make any sense. I guess he believes Rush was a sociopath and not just a cheapskate. It is a hell of an assumption to make with no backing. Especially weird when the author thumbs his nose at the general consensus that OceanGate was run in an unsafe manner, a position with a lot of evidence behind it

> Especially weird when the author thumbs his nose at the general consensus that OceanGate was run in an unsafe manner

I think you misread the article.

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. Your average human driver will have zero fatal accidents in their driving career. The fatalities happen in the margins, in the fractional percentage points. Arguably, this makes autopilot, with its singular set of fuzzy logic, worse than human drivers. It’s flaws, after all, will continue to exist even if it kills its host.

Absent in both point and counterpoint is the number of fatalities per distance driven with and without autopilot

driver assist not autopilot. Tesla is calling their driver assist an "Autopilot"(tm) and actively misleading people that they can 'let go of the wheel'.

Such language and marketing campaigns are actively killing uninformed drivers.

Re: On Sociopaths and Progress

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Calling CEOs sociopaths is like your ex a narcissist. It's trendy, and might even be true in some cases, but I gotta think there's some projection going on here.

A lot of studies have shown that sociopaths are far more likely to become a CXO than a non-sociopath. They are definitely over represented in that group.

They are still the minority of individuals (~20%), but the most likely place people will interact with them.

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