skill issue
Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
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Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#12(2022) Abstract of the actual paper: ( https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/research-department-w... ) Data indicate that more frequent labor force exit among men without a four-year college degree has been driving the decline in the US prime-age (25 to 54) men’s labor force participation rate over the last 40 years. At the same time, non-college men’s earnings measured as a share of the average earnings of all pri…
By exit do they mean NEET-ification (Not in Education, Employment or Training) or is this solely about job market participation?
Apocryphally, there seems to be greater support for non-traditional students now so a subset might be retraining.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
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this is not about being mediocre or unaccomplished, If you don't have a BA degree from university you are forced to work at McDonald
Hardly. There are plenty of trades who don’t have BAs and they do fine. Army provides good opportunities to upskill as well.
But if all you have demonstrated is 5th percentile skill (high school diploma threshold), unsurprisingly only McDonalds will hire you.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#14> Non-college-educated men have seen their pay shrink by more than 30% since 1980 compared to the average earnings of all other prime-age workers. Their weekly earnings have declined 17%, while those of college-educated men rose by 20%, adjusting for inflation. That earnings loss has caused a decline in their social status, prompting them to walk away from work entirely, Pinghui Wu, the author of the study, wrote.
I wonder how much of this we could explain simply by the fact that the percentage of men who have graduated college has doubled since 1980. Compared to 1980, the non-college-educated group represents a smaller proportion of men. If you somehow took that same, smaller proportion of 1980s men by doing something like removing 1980s jobs that would now require a degree, then perhaps the salary comparison to the average salary would look similar to today.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#15(2022) Abstract of the actual paper: ( https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/research-department-w... ) Data indicate that more frequent labor force exit among men without a four-year college degree has been driving the decline in the US prime-age (25 to 54) men’s labor force participation rate over the last 40 years. At the same time, non-college men’s earnings measured as a share of the average earnings of all pri…
By exit do they mean NEET-ification (Not in Education, Employment or Training) or is this solely about job market participation? Apocryphally, there seems to be greater support for non-traditional students now so a subset might be retraining.
They're only measuring labor force participation rate.
Also note that the time range is 1980 to 2019, so any more recent trends won't figure into it.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#16Being out of work isn’t a way to improve your social status
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
this is not about being mediocre or unaccomplished, If you don't have a BA degree from university you are forced to work at McDonald
Hardly. There are plenty of trades who don’t have BAs and they do fine. Army provides good opportunities to upskill as well. But if all you have demonstrated is 5th percentile skill (high school diploma threshold), unsurprisingly only McDonalds will hire you.
> But if all you have demonstrated is 5th percentile skill (high school diploma threshold), unsurprisingly only McDonalds will hire you.
I guess neurodivergent people don't exist. Because passing high school is soooo easy when it completely disagrees with how your brain actually functions.
But surprise surprise, people who can't finish school may still be capable of other things.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#18Being out of work isn’t a way to improve your social status
But if being in work also doesn't improve your social status then why work? For the pure joy of being dog tired and not near your loved ones as often.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#19Too many idle people is never a Good Thing(tm). It breeds insurrections, conspiracy theories, and the kind that go postal against random people.
Re: Men are dropping out of the labor force because upset about their social status
#20Being out of work isn’t a way to improve your social status
There are infinite ways of dealing with a generalized lack of hope and respect, but most people only see a limited set of options:
1. Work harder
2. Work smarter, maybe invest in attaining a profession or a trade
3. Make other changes like getting a haircut, wardrobe, yoga, or working out
4. Give up
The problem is when too many people see option 4 as their only option. Disgruntled, dissatisfied, broke dudes who aren't getting also tend to turn to crimes, pathologies, and distractions of despair that also increase morbidity. This downward eventually turns into a cost and burden on society. If you want a healthy society, make sure everyone has something to do and is getting some. Hell, the Netherlands has or had subsidies for disabled people to receive professional sex services. That's pretty damn humane.