Prigozhin gaining power, potentially even over Putin, would be horrible for Russians, but stabilizing for Europe. (See: North Korea.)
Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
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#12Wagner PMC has responded to the pleas of RU generals for them to not to listen to Prigozhin:
> Все генералы, которые с трясущимися руками обращаются к музыкантам с призывами остановиться уже фактически подписали себе приговор. Трибунал обязательно будет. Суровикин еще ответит за сдачу Херсона.
> (Google Translate) All the generals who, with trembling hands, appeal to the musicians to stop, have actually signed their own sentence. There will be a tribunal. Surovikin will still answer for the surrender of Kherson.
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#13Prigozhin gaining power, potentially even over Putin, would be horrible for Russians, but stabilizing for Europe. (See: North Korea.)
You know the guy has been pushing for war economy, closed borders, full mobilization and total war? Stabilizing my ass — if he ever takes power, it's likely to become even worse for everyone involved.
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#14«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723584970679705...
Is this a serious attempt at a military coup?
Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?
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#15This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.
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#16The horror of every tyrant: when one of his commanders realizes that he has more power than his boss.
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#17«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723584970679705...
Is this a serious attempt at a military coup? Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?
Too soon to say for real - but something seems to be happening. There is quite a lot of noise from Russia.
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#18Prigozhin gaining power, potentially even over Putin, would be horrible for Russians, but stabilizing for Europe. (See: North Korea.)
You know the guy has been pushing for war economy, closed borders, full mobilization and total war? Stabilizing my ass — if he ever takes power, it's likely to become even worse for everyone involved.
> the guy has been pushing for war economy, closed borders, full mobilization and total war
He's also saying the war was a mistake.
Prigozhin's base is ultranationalist–that's what's propelling him now. If he succeeds in taking the reins of the state, his base and thus incentives shift. The new rhetoric may reflect him realizing he's closer to that than anyone realized.
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#19The horror of every tyrant: when one of his commanders realizes that he has more power than his boss.
> when one of his commanders realizes that he has more power than his boss
When one of the commanders realizes they're physically between the army and the unguarded palace.
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