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San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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I think in case of an emergency the doors of the car should get unlocked and someone nearby should overtake

That's a good way to make carjacking easy.

- Get carjacked - Car enabled carjacking mode - Locks all doors, locks manual controls, drives directly to the first SFPD station.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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A family member was a NY fire fighter many years ago. The Soviets had a lot of people at the UN, and they had diplomatic plates. They would park wherever they wanted, often blocking things. There was nothing the police could do. The fire chief decided to have fire drills. Whenever a cop saw a car with diplomatic plates parked in front of a hydrant, they would call the fire department, who would come out and perform a…

Heheheheh. Bare-knuckled, but I like that approach.

Beyond instructing emergency responders "if it doesn't stay away, just smash its windows" (mentioned in the article, at n=1 scale)...I wonder if robotaxis have some convenient central depot, which might find its driveways block by emergency street repairs, or some such.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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Most countries have penalty points on driving license. If some driver is violating traffic rules too often, they should lose driving license! Self driving cars should not have an exception!

are you suggesting this on a per car basis, or all cars working off of the same point system? accruing enough points to unlock "suspended license" achievement would seem appropriate to be applied to the entire fleet since it's the same "AI".

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It appears these robotaxis need an emergency button similar to the ones on industrial robots. But instead of completely stopping, a remote operator immediately takes over and bugs out. Meanwhile, the AI can take a backseat and observe how to respond in a situation like this. Because obviously they don't have enough training when dealing with emergency situations.

I think in case of an emergency the doors of the car should get unlocked and someone nearby should overtake

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Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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That's a good way to make carjacking easy.

- Get carjacked - Car enabled carjacking mode - Locks all doors, locks manual controls, drives directly to the first SFPD station.

Maybe they should institute the emergency foam filling system to protect the occupants as well

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It appears these robotaxis need an emergency button similar to the ones on industrial robots. But instead of completely stopping, a remote operator immediately takes over and bugs out. Meanwhile, the AI can take a backseat and observe how to respond in a situation like this. Because obviously they don't have enough training when dealing with emergency situations.

I think in case of an emergency the doors of the car should get unlocked and someone nearby should overtake

Maybe a game controller gets unlocked from the back of the front seat so the passenger can take over GTA style

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A family member was a NY fire fighter many years ago. The Soviets had a lot of people at the UN, and they had diplomatic plates. They would park wherever they wanted, often blocking things. There was nothing the police could do. The fire chief decided to have fire drills. Whenever a cop saw a car with diplomatic plates parked in front of a hydrant, they would call the fire department, who would come out and perform a…

Damn that's rough. I saw a car parked in front a fire hydrant at a fire in Queens once. FDNY simply smashed the windows to open the doors, and then ran a hose through it.

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I think in case of an emergency the doors of the car should get unlocked and someone nearby should overtake

I feel like you could have some sort of standard handle on the front of a robotaxi to lead it around.

Idk I think I agree with the chief here that they're not ready for primetime if we're suggesting we put a halter and lead rope on an autonomous vehicle.

Re: San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

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The specific examples listed out in the article are egregious, causing real harm. The fire chief is right to be angry, if anything her response is too measured.

From the article:

- Running through yellow emergency tape and ignoring warning signs to enter a street strewn with storm-damaged electrical wires, then driving past emergency vehicles with some of those wires snarled around rooftop lidar sensors.

- Twice blocking firehouse driveways, requiring another firehouse to dispatch an ambulance to a medical emergency.

- Sitting motionless on a one-way street and forcing a firetruck to back up and take another route to a blazing building.

- Pulling up behind a firetruck that was flashing its emergency lights and parking there, interfering with firefighters unloading ladders.

- Entering an active fire scene, then parking with one of its tires on top of a fire hose.

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