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Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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Adults think that the best thing you can do for a child is to turn the child out like them. Think about that, that's got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. - Alan Kay ... via https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup

The big advantage of turning out a child like yourself is you can support them very well. A lot of top performers in sports, business, politics, etc. had a parent who did the same thing and was able to massively help them from a young age.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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I would not want my children to be like me. Not because of my imperfections or whatever the article is trying to say. Even if I were a perfect model human the same would hold. Simply, the world has already had its opportunity to experience me. It doesn't need to try again.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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My 0,02€: Having become a dad late in life, I have plenty of perspective. When discussing our 3yo with my wife, I note that I've identified a couple of deficiencies in my own upbringing & school-age experiences that I don't want my kid to have to repeat. Just trying to leverage the benefit of experience.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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"A programmer's perspective" but nothing unique to a programmer parent. I assumed it was going to be about all of the bad habits that go with being a dedicated tech worker, because there are lots of them.

Yeah, but I giggled when I read

> The good parts and the bad parts. This is why it’s very important to stop and ask yourself if your behaviour is the right behaviour you want emulated in your children.

That is like something I would say and people around me wonder what I talk about. Maybe he meant this

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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post #8

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It is entertaining to see such a child like and prejudiced response on this particular thread. Are you that Naïve to believe that a win at all cost mindset first arrived with the Trump presidency? Just look at the eavesdropping and the Steele dossier that were part of the race before he was even elected. Trump was elected as a response to all the toxicity, he was not the origin of it

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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post #11

Adults think that the best thing you can do for a child is to turn the child out like them. Think about that, that's got to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. - Alan Kay ... via https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup

The big advantage of turning out a child like yourself is you can support them very well. A lot of top performers in sports, business, politics, etc. had a parent who did the same thing and was able to massively help them from a young age.

While that may be true, casting it as a binary choice is also overly simplistic - ie. how that differs from the extent to which any reasonably resourced and motivated parent could encourage talents in a child and/or find external teachers would remain a valid question. That said, professional specialisation is a cornerstone of civilization, but in an evolving global social reality driven by rapid technology change there is perhaps cause to question the traditional hominid evolutionary trick of stamping-down worldviews and practices known to the immediate parent generation; instead encouraging a somewhat broader first principles or generalist reframing for each successive generation. Probably education is headed this way. More episodic and cross disciplinary, less one size fits all formally programmed, less parent-generation connected, more present interconnected. Nurture will of course remain critically important, but for an increasingly earlier period of childhood within biological limits.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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No. Unless it's her passion, but I'm not going to encourage her specifically in this direction. I want to invest equally (as much as I can) in other STEM, in art, in sports. Maybe she'll be a playwright? Or an athlete? Or a scientist? Or dedicate her life to help other people or animals?

Even if she is interested in programming, I'd warn her about burnout, about the ultra long feedback cycles, about the exhausting rate of technology progress. Make sure she knows the path ahead. It's weighted, I know, because I can only tell her about this path and not others. On the other hand, there's weight to the other side by seeing me doing that, being able to get advice and direction.

I want her to be happy. Fulfilled if possible. Good work-life balance, preferable on the side of "life" than "work". If I can leave her enough money to choose her profession rather than have to follow the money.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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My 0,02€: Having become a dad late in life, I have plenty of perspective. When discussing our 3yo with my wife, I note that I've identified a couple of deficiencies in my own upbringing & school-age experiences that I don't want my kid to have to repeat. Just trying to leverage the benefit of experience.

Essentially where I'm at as well.

Didn't have kids young, and man they're tiring, but in exchange for energy I can see what I want my kid doing and NOT doing. And really, it's mostly the NOT-doing stuff I'm worried about.

The kid will be into what they are -- it would be nice if they're into the same stuff as me, but it's fine if they aren't. But there are a bunch of situations I wish I didn't have to go through that I'd like to spare them from. Biggest one being a military brat and moving a lot, and never really being able to dive into a hobby or group.

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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In terms of programming, if my child wants to imitate me and learn to code, then fine, but doing so is riddled with problems. Firstly, code is so unforgiving, unlike art, where mistakes in art can be tolerated and even add to the aesthetic of the art, but one single misplaced comma in code ruins the whole program. Then there's the countless times you have to bang your head against the wall whilst coding because of so…

Not to mention this whole LLM thing people are talking about...

Aye, in the future your ability to be creative and loquacious may do more for you when there is an AI interpreting your inputs.

Someone is going to have to tweak that AI but it may be more like a handful of highly-skilled and razor-sharp AI surgeons instead of legions of hackers.

Or cuz the AI will wake up and exterminate us like a bug...

Re: Do you want your children to be like you? A programmer's perspective

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In terms of programming, if my child wants to imitate me and learn to code, then fine, but doing so is riddled with problems. Firstly, code is so unforgiving, unlike art, where mistakes in art can be tolerated and even add to the aesthetic of the art, but one single misplaced comma in code ruins the whole program. Then there's the countless times you have to bang your head against the wall whilst coding because of so…

trying to get paid to do art is much harder path that being a programmer when you're not really into it and doing art on the side
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